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For those who have dropped out of the speculations on the chess and IQ
thread, there is an article on chess and intelligence in the August
issue of Scientific American. The article reviews scientific studies
on the question, which have proven a number of surprising facts such
as that there is no correlation between IQ and chess ability.

It is interesting to see the differences betweeen how grandmasters
find the right moves vs how weaker players do it.

The article is available on the web.

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"Henri H. Arsenault" wrote in message
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For those who have dropped out of the speculations on the chess and IQ
thread, there is an article on chess and intelligence in the August
issue of Scientific American. The article reviews scientific studies
on the question, which have proven a number of surprising facts such
as that there is no correlation between IQ and chess ability.

It is interesting to see the differences betweeen how grandmasters
find the right moves vs how weaker players do it.

The article is available on the web.

Henri


http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...9E83414B7F4945

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I was inspired by that article to write my own feelings about it in my blog.
I had a couple people who liked it. You might want to give it a read.

http://growwithchess.com/2006/10/no-...-hardwork.html

Thanks,
John
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For those who have dropped out of the speculations on the chess and IQ
thread, there is an article on chess and intelligence in the August
issue of Scientific American. The article reviews scientific studies
on the question, which have proven a number of surprising facts such
as that there is no correlation between IQ and chess ability.

It is interesting to see the differences betweeen how grandmasters
find the right moves vs how weaker players do it.

The article is available on the web.

Henri



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Henri H. Arsenault wrote:
For those who have dropped out of the speculations on the chess and IQ
thread, there is an article on chess and intelligence in the August
issue of Scientific American. The article reviews scientific studies
on the question, which have proven a number of surprising facts such
as that there is no correlation between IQ and chess ability.

It is interesting to see the differences betweeen how grandmasters
find the right moves vs how weaker players do it.

The article is available on the web.


I have cursively read this article but found no reference to IQ tests
at all, to say nothing about your claim the IQ scores and chess ratings
are either uncorrelated or, worse, negatively correlated.

Yes, the article does say that it seems to the author that chess
masters are made not born. But that is hardly a scientific evidence
about the correlation between IQ and chess.

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wrote:
Henri H. Arsenault wrote:
For those who have dropped out of the speculations on the chess and IQ
thread, there is an article on chess and intelligence in the August
issue of Scientific American. The article reviews scientific studies
on the question, which have proven a number of surprising facts such
as that there is no correlation between IQ and chess ability.

It is interesting to see the differences betweeen how grandmasters
find the right moves vs how weaker players do it.

The article is available on the web.


I have cursively read this article but found no reference to IQ tests
at all, to say nothing about your claim the IQ scores and chess ratings
are either uncorrelated or, worse, negatively correlated.


Here's a paragraph that comes close to saying that:

"...At this point, many skeptics will finally lose patience. Surely,
they will say, it takes more to get to Carnegie Hall than practice,
practice, practice. Yet this belief in the importance of innate talent,
strongest perhaps among the experts themselves and their trainers, is
strangely lacking in hard evidence to substantiate it. In 2002 Gobet
conducted a study of British chess players ranging from amateurs to
grandmasters and found no connection at all between their playing
strengths and their visual-spatial abilities, as measured by
shape-memory tests. Other researchers have found that the abilities of
professional handicappers to predict the results of horse races did not
correlate at all with their mathematical abilities."

Of course it's possible that the Gobet study only proves that
shape-memory is less significant than some might have thought. Add
other skills to the test (such as logic perhaps) and a correlation
might well emerge.

LT




Yes, the article does say that it seems to the author that chess
masters are made not born. But that is hardly a scientific evidence
about the correlation between IQ and chess.




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Larry Tapper wrote:
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Henri H. Arsenault wrote:
For those who have dropped out of the speculations on the chess and IQ
thread, there is an article on chess and intelligence in the August
issue of Scientific American. The article reviews scientific studies
on the question, which have proven a number of surprising facts such
as that there is no correlation between IQ and chess ability.


It proved no such thing. It may have claimed this but based on flawed
reasoning and inadequate testing. The strongest claim they could make
is that they found no evidence of a correlation between the *very*
limited range of skills they tested for and chess ability.

The article is available on the web.


(though strangely difficult to find with the international version of
Google)

I have cursively read this article but found no reference to IQ tests
at all, to say nothing about your claim the IQ scores and chess ratings
are either uncorrelated or, worse, negatively correlated.


Here's a paragraph that comes close to saying that:

"...At this point, many skeptics will finally lose patience. Surely,
they will say, it takes more to get to Carnegie Hall than practice,
practice, practice. Yet this belief in the importance of innate talent,
strongest perhaps among the experts themselves and their trainers, is
strangely lacking in hard evidence to substantiate it. In 2002 Gobet
conducted a study of British chess players ranging from amateurs to
grandmasters and found no connection at all between their playing
strengths and their visual-spatial abilities, as measured by
shape-memory tests. Other researchers have found that the abilities of
professional handicappers to predict the results of horse races did not
correlate at all with their mathematical abilities."

Of course it's possible that the Gobet study only proves that
shape-memory is less significant than some might have thought. Add
other skills to the test (such as logic perhaps) and a correlation
might well emerge.


It depends what they mean by shape memory tests. I suspect that they
tested the wrong hypothesis and so found no obvious correlation.
Visuospatial reasoning tests would be more likely to show a
correlation as would average time to solve a Sudoku puzzle.

Incidentally are there any known idiot-savant chess players?

I know there are a few capable of astonishing feats of memory like any
random chess board postion pretty much exactly (including the illegal
ones). Top GMs come close to that accuracy only if the position is
legal and characteristic of middlegame play from a real game and they
really struggle with illegal positions with kings left in check,
missing king etc.

Regards,
Martin Brown

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