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Hello,

a young player (well, ... for me 20y is young) of my chessclub sent a
game to a chesssite which kindly offer a free analysis.

He has shown it to me and I think they wrote some interesting concepts
but in some aspects I disagree.

Anyone would like to post here something about that game?
Some days later I will post the chesssite analysis and then my comments

[Event "friendly game - slow control time"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "foment"]
[Black "minguell"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6 4. c4 Bg7 5. cxd5 O-O 6. O-O Nxd5 7. Nc3
e5 8.Nxd5 Qxd5 9. d3 Nc6 10. Be3 Qd8 11. Qa4 Nd4 12. Nxd4 exd4 13. Bf4
c6 14. b4 Bg4 15. Rfe1 Re8 16. Qc2 Qd7 17. Rab1 Rad8 18. a4 a6 19. Qb2
h6 20. h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 22. Rc2 Kh7 23. Bf1 Bf6 24. Qc1 Bg7 25. Qb2
f6 26. Rb1 g5 27. hxg5 fxg5 28. Bc1 Rf8 29. b5 Ref7 30. f4 Bh3 31. Bd2
Qg4 32. Kh2 Bxf1 33. Rxf1 Qxe2+ 34. Kg1 Qxd3 35. Bb4 Qxg3+ 36. Rg2 Qe3+
37. Rff2 Rxf4 38. Bd2 Qxf2+ 39. Rxf2 Rxf2 40. bxc6bxc6 41. Qb4 c5 42.Qa5
c4 0-1

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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

Hello,

a young player (well, ... for me 20y is young) of my chessclub sent a
game to a chesssite which kindly offer a free analysis.

He has shown it to me and I think they wrote some interesting concepts
but in some aspects I disagree.

Anyone would like to post here something about that game?
Some days later I will post the chesssite analysis and then my comments


Hello Antonio

Thanks for posting this.

I am a patzer, as you know. My intention in reposting the game score is
to insert a space between White's and Black's 40th moves, so that the
PGN loads properly. I look forward to reading your comments...

Regards,
Mark

[Event "friendly game - slow control time"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "foment"]
[Black "minguell"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6 4. c4 Bg7 5. cxd5 O-O 6. O-O Nxd5 7. Nc3
e5 8.Nxd5 Qxd5 9. d3 Nc6 10. Be3 Qd8 11. Qa4 Nd4 12. Nxd4 exd4 13. Bf4
c6 14. b4 Bg4 15. Rfe1 Re8 16. Qc2 Qd7 17. Rab1 Rad8 18. a4 a6 19. Qb2
h6 20. h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 22. Rc2 Kh7 23. Bf1 Bf6 24. Qc1 Bg7 25. Qb2
f6 26. Rb1 g5 27. hxg5 fxg5 28. Bc1 Rf8 29. b5 Ref7 30. f4 Bh3 31. Bd2
Qg4 32. Kh2 Bxf1 33. Rxf1 Qxe2+ 34. Kg1 Qxd3 35. Bb4 Qxg3+ 36. Rg2 Qe3+

37. Rff2 Rxf4 38. Bd2 Qxf2+ 39. Rxf2 Rxf2 40. bxc6 bxc6 41. Qb4 c5
42.Qa5
c4 0-1

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En/na Mark Houlsby ha escrit:

Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

Hello,

Anyone would like to post here something about that game?
Some days later I will post the chesssite analysis and then my comments


Hello Antonio

Thanks for posting this.

I am a patzer, as you know. My intention in reposting the game score is
to insert a space between White's and Black's 40th moves, so that the
PGN loads properly. I look forward to reading your comments...
Regards,
Mark


Thank you Mark,

And ... would you like to write your thoughts about that game?

All we are patzers compared by anyone stronger (well, all except
Kasparov, Rybka and Ray) but that do not mean we have not an opinion
(which can be defended and sometimes with success).

Antonio T.

[Event "friendly game - slow control time"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "foment"]
[Black "minguell"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6 4. c4 Bg7 5. cxd5 O-O 6. O-O Nxd5 7. Nc3
e5 8.Nxd5 Qxd5 9. d3 Nc6 10. Be3 Qd8 11. Qa4 Nd4 12. Nxd4 exd4 13. Bf4
c6 14. b4 Bg4 15. Rfe1 Re8 16. Qc2 Qd7 17. Rab1 Rad8 18. a4 a6 19. Qb2
h6 20. h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 22. Rc2 Kh7 23. Bf1 Bf6 24. Qc1 Bg7 25. Qb2
f6 26. Rb1 g5 27. hxg5 fxg5 28. Bc1 Rf8 29. b5 Ref7 30. f4 Bh3 31. Bd2
Qg4 32. Kh2 Bxf1 33. Rxf1 Qxe2+ 34. Kg1 Qxd3 35. Bb4 Qxg3+ 36. Rg2 Qe3+
37. Rff2 Rxf4 38. Bd2 Qxf2+ 39. Rxf2 Rxf2 40. bxc6 bxc6 41. Qb4 c5
42.Qa5 c4 0-1


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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

En/na Mark Houlsby ha escrit:

Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

Hello,

Anyone would like to post here something about that game?
Some days later I will post the chesssite analysis and then my comments


Hello Antonio

Thanks for posting this.

I am a patzer, as you know. My intention in reposting the game score is
to insert a space between White's and Black's 40th moves, so that the
PGN loads properly. I look forward to reading your comments...
Regards,
Mark


Thank you Mark,

And ... would you like to write your thoughts about that game?

All we are patzers compared by anyone stronger (well, all except
Kasparov, Rybka


and Ray)


:-)

but that do not mean we have not an opinion
(which can be defended and sometimes with success).

Antonio T.


Ok... after a cursory glance, I came up with this idiosyncratic
nonsense:



foment - minguell
friendly game - slow control time, 2006

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 0-0 6.0-0 Nxd5 7.Nc3 e5 [
7...Nc6 8.d4 Bf5 9.Re1 Nxc3 10.bxc3 Be4 11.e3 Na5 12.Nd2 Bxg2 13.Kxg2
c5 14.Nb3 cxd4 15.Nxa5 Qxa5 16.cxd4 Rfc8 17.Bb2 Rc4 18.Qb3 b5 19.Rec1
Rac8 20.Rxc4 Rxc4 - D74 Poulsson,E-Zwaig,A/Oslo CI 1973 (5)/-/30]
8.Nxd5 [ 8.e4 Nxc3 9.bxc3 id2-d4( 9.dxc3) ;
8.d4 e4 ( 8...exd4 9.Nxd5 Qxd5=/+) 9.Ne5 ( 9.Nd2 e3 10.Nf3 exf2+ with
an initiative) 9...Nxc3 10.bxc3 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Nc6 12.Bf4 unclear]
8...Qxd5 9.d3 [i preventing e5-e4] [ 9.d4 exd4-/+ ( 9...e4 10.Nd2 Bf5
11.e3) ] 9...Nc6 10.Be3 Qd8 11.Qa4 Nd4!? 12.Nxd4 exd4 13.Bf4 c6 14.b4!?
[c6] 14...Bg4 15.Rfe1 Re8 16.Qc2 [ 16.Bf1!?] 16...Qd7 17.Rab1
[ia2-a4, b4-b5] 17...Rad8 18.a4 a6 19.Qb2 h6 [i preventing Bg5; iRe7]
20.h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 [e2] 22.Rc2 Kh7 23.Bf1 Bf6?! [h6] 24.Qc1 Bg7
25.Qb2 f6 26.Rb1 g5 27.hxg5 fxg5 28.Bc1 Rf8 29.b5!? Ref7 30.f4 Bh3
31.Bd2 Qg4 with attack [ i31...Bxf1 32.Rxf1] 32.Kh2 Bxf1 33.Rxf1 Qxe2+
34.Kg1 Qxd3 35.Bb4 Qxg3+ 36.Rg2 Qe3+ 37.Rff2 [ 37.Rgf2 d3 38.Qd2 Bd4
with attack] 37...Rxf4 38.Bd2 Qxf2+!-+ 39.Rxf2 Rxf2 40.bxc6 bxc6 41.Qb4
c5 42.Qa5 c4 0-1

Mark

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Mark Houlsby wrote:

Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

En/na Mark Houlsby ha escrit:

Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

Hello,

Anyone would like to post here something about that game?
Some days later I will post the chesssite analysis and then my comments

Hello Antonio

Thanks for posting this.

I am a patzer, as you know. My intention in reposting the game score is
to insert a space between White's and Black's 40th moves, so that the
PGN loads properly. I look forward to reading your comments...
Regards,
Mark


Thank you Mark,

And ... would you like to write your thoughts about that game?

All we are patzers compared by anyone stronger (well, all except
Kasparov, Rybka


and Ray)


:-)

but that do not mean we have not an opinion
(which can be defended and sometimes with success).

Antonio T.


Ok... after a cursory glance, I came up with this idiosyncratic
nonsense:



foment - minguell
friendly game - slow control time, 2006

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 0-0 6.0-0 Nxd5 7.Nc3 e5 [
7...Nc6 8.d4 Bf5 9.Re1 Nxc3 10.bxc3 Be4 11.e3 Na5 12.Nd2 Bxg2 13.Kxg2
c5 14.Nb3 cxd4 15.Nxa5 Qxa5 16.cxd4 Rfc8 17.Bb2 Rc4 18.Qb3 b5 19.Rec1
Rac8 20.Rxc4 Rxc4 - D74 Poulsson,E-Zwaig,A/Oslo CI 1973 (5)/½-½/30]
8.Nxd5 [ 8.e4 Nxc3 9.bxc3 id2-d4( 9.dxc3) ;
8.d4 e4 ( 8...exd4 9.Nxd5 Qxd5=/+) 9.Ne5 ( 9.Nd2 e3 10.Nf3 exf2+ with
an initiative) 9...Nxc3 10.bxc3 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Nc6 12.Bf4 unclear]
8...Qxd5 9.d3 [i preventing e5-e4] [ 9.d4 exd4-/+ ( 9...e4 10.Nd2 Bf5
11.e3) ] 9...Nc6 10.Be3 Qd8 11.Qa4 Nd4!? 12.Nxd4 exd4 13.Bf4 c6 14.b4!?
[×c6] 14...Bg4 15.Rfe1 Re8 16.Qc2 [ 16.Bf1!?] 16...Qd7 17.Rab1
[ia2-a4, b4-b5] 17...Rad8 18.a4 a6 19.Qb2 h6 [i preventing Bg5; iRe7]
20.h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 [×e2] 22.Rc2 Kh7 23.Bf1 Bf6?! [×h6] 24.Qc1 Bg7
25.Qb2 f6 26.Rb1 g5 27.hxg5 fxg5 28.Bc1™ Rf8 29.b5!? Ref7 30.f4 Bh3
31.Bd2 Qg4 with attack [ i31...Bxf1 32.Rxf1] 32.Kh2 Bxf1 33.Rxf1 Qxe2+
34.Kg1 Qxd3 35.Bb4 Qxg3+ 36.Rg2 Qe3+ 37.Rff2 [ 37.Rgf2 d3 38.Qd2 Bd4
with attack] 37...Rxf4 38.Bd2 Qxf2+!-+ 39.Rxf2 Rxf2 40.bxc6 bxc6 41.Qb4
c5 42.Qa5 c4 0-1

Mark


Ahem that should have been an "only move" sign, not a trademark sign,
after 28.Bc1. Pesky Usenet font.



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Antonio Torrecillas ha escrito:
[Event "friendly game - slow control time"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "foment"]
[Black "minguell"]
[Result "0-1"]


here the www,chessacademy.com analysis:
I would like to see any comments about the advice done here.

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6
4. c4 Bg7 5. cxd5 O-O 6. O-O Nxd5 7. Nc3 ?

Taking control of the center is the key............Try to understand
that all your middlegame play which revolved around protecting e2 pawn
happened due to this mistake.The move 7...e5 should be prevented at all
costs and that is what precisely, 7.d4 would have done !

7..... e5 8.Nxd5?

Another mistake...why are you exchanging pieces even before you have
completed your development ? Let you opponent exchange on c3..then you
can get a good c3, d4, e3 central pawn chain to neutralize the power of
g7 bishop. Your opponent's control of the center is getting stronger
by the move.

8.... Qxd5 9. d3 No option ? Right 9...... Nc6 10. Be3 Qd8 11. Qa4 Nd4
?

Here your opponent made a mistake...11......e4 12.de4 Bb2 gives a 3-1
queenside pawn majority..a winning advantage indeed.

12. Nxd4 exd4 13. Bf4 c6 14. b4

This is the time to take stock of the situation.....We have got a semi
open center now and only piece maneuvers or central pawn thrusts can
help. Flank side pawn attack is a no-no..... 14. Qb4 is a b etter
move.. it restricts the motion of C8 Bishop,that of b7 pawn and also if
need be, can be brought on the c1 -h6 diagonal to help white exchange
off the dark squared bishops.

14.....Bg4 15. Rfe1 Re8 16. Qc2 Qd7 17. Rab1 Rad8 18. a4 a6 19. Qb2

Your queenside pawn attack is absolutely hollow since the queen has to
constantly keep an eye on the terribly weak e2 pawn

19.... h6 20. h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 22. Rc2 Kh7 23. Bf1 Bf6 24. Qc1 Bg7
25. Qb2 f6?

25....Qf5 is definitely a better move Now if 26.e4 de3 (en passant)
and a discovered attack on queen by g7 bishop.

26. Rb1 g5 27. hxg5 fxg5 28. Bc1 Rf8 29. b5 Ref7

..... and black wins The rest of the game doesn't require much
comment.

30. f4 Bh3 31. Bd2 Qg4 32. Kh2 Bxf1 33. Rxf1 Qxe2+ 34. Kg1 Qxd3
35. Bb4 Qxg3+ 36. Rg2 Qe3+ 37. Rff2 Rxf4 38. Bd2 Qxf2+
39. Rxf2 Rxf2 40. bxc6bxc6 41. Qb4 c5 42. Qa5 c4

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En/na Mark Houlsby ha escrit:
foment - minguell
friendly game - slow control time, 2006

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 0-0 6.0-0 Nxd5 7.Nc3 e5 [
7...Nc6 8.d4 Bf5 9.Re1 Nxc3 10.bxc3 Be4 11.e3 Na5 12.Nd2 Bxg2 13.Kxg2
c5 14.Nb3 cxd4 15.Nxa5 Qxa5 16.cxd4 Rfc8 17.Bb2 Rc4 18.Qb3 b5 19.Rec1
Rac8 20.Rxc4 Rxc4 - D74 Poulsson,E-Zwaig,A/Oslo CI 1973 (5)/-/30]
8.Nxd5 [ 8.e4 Nxc3 9.bxc3 id2-d4( 9.dxc3) ;
8.d4 e4 ( 8...exd4 9.Nxd5 Qxd5=/+) 9.Ne5 ( 9.Nd2 e3 10.Nf3 exf2+ with
an initiative) 9...Nxc3 10.bxc3 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Nc6 12.Bf4 unclear]


I suppose you propose two different alternatives because you do not like
8.Nxd5

8...Qxd5 9.d3 [i preventing e5-e4] [ 9.d4 exd4-/+ ( 9...e4 10.Nd2 Bf5
11.e3) ] 9...Nc6 10.Be3 Qd8 11.Qa4 Nd4!? 12.Nxd4 exd4 13.Bf4 c6 14.b4!?
[c6] 14...Bg4 15.Rfe1 Re8 16.Qc2 [ 16.Bf1!?] 16...Qd7 17.Rab1


I suppose you propose 16.Bf1 as an alternative not neccesarily better
than the game.

[ia2-a4, b4-b5] 17...Rad8 18.a4 a6 19.Qb2 h6 [i preventing Bg5; iRe7]
20.h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 [e2] 22.Rc2 Kh7 23.Bf1 Bf6?! [h6] 24.Qc1 Bg7


I suppose you think 23...f6 to be better than the game.

25.Qb2 f6 26.Rb1 g5 27.hxg5 fxg5 28.Bc1 ONLY Rf8 29.b5!? Ref7 30.f4 Bh3
31.Bd2 Qg4 with attack [ i31...Bxf1 32.Rxf1] 32.Kh2 Bxf1 33.Rxf1 Qxe2+
34.Kg1 Qxd3 35.Bb4 Qxg3+ 36.Rg2 Qe3+ 37.Rff2 [ 37.Rgf2 d3 38.Qd2 Bd4
with attack] 37...Rxf4 38.Bd2 Qxf2+!-+ 39.Rxf2 Rxf2 40.bxc6 bxc6 41.Qb4
c5 42.Qa5 c4 0-1

Mark


I asume when you write "i ..." you mean "with the idea of ..."

Antonio T.

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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

En/na Mark Houlsby ha escrit:
foment - minguell
friendly game - slow control time, 2006

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.c4 Bg7 5.cxd5 0-0 6.0-0 Nxd5 7.Nc3 e5 [
7...Nc6 8.d4 Bf5 9.Re1 Nxc3 10.bxc3 Be4 11.e3 Na5 12.Nd2 Bxg2 13.Kxg2
c5 14.Nb3 cxd4 15.Nxa5 Qxa5 16.cxd4 Rfc8 17.Bb2 Rc4 18.Qb3 b5 19.Rec1
Rac8 20.Rxc4 Rxc4 - D74 Poulsson,E-Zwaig,A/Oslo CI 1973 (5)/-/30]
8.Nxd5 [ 8.e4 Nxc3 9.bxc3 id2-d4( 9.dxc3) ;
8.d4 e4 ( 8...exd4 9.Nxd5 Qxd5=/+) 9.Ne5 ( 9.Nd2 e3 10.Nf3 exf2+ with
an initiative) 9...Nxc3 10.bxc3 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Nc6 12.Bf4 unclear]


I suppose you propose two different alternatives because you do not like
8.Nxd5

8...Qxd5 9.d3 [i preventing e5-e4] [ 9.d4 exd4-/+ ( 9...e4 10.Nd2 Bf5
11.e3) ] 9...Nc6 10.Be3 Qd8 11.Qa4 Nd4!? 12.Nxd4 exd4 13.Bf4 c6 14.b4!?
[c6] 14...Bg4 15.Rfe1 Re8 16.Qc2 [ 16.Bf1!?] 16...Qd7 17.Rab1


I suppose you propose 16.Bf1 as an alternative not neccesarily better
than the game.

[ia2-a4, b4-b5] 17...Rad8 18.a4 a6 19.Qb2 h6 [i preventing Bg5; iRe7]
20.h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 [e2] 22.Rc2 Kh7 23.Bf1 Bf6?! [h6] 24.Qc1 Bg7


I suppose you think 23...f6 to be better than the game.

25.Qb2 f6 26.Rb1 g5 27.hxg5 fxg5 28.Bc1 ONLY Rf8 29.b5!? Ref7 30.f4 Bh3
31.Bd2 Qg4 with attack [ i31...Bxf1 32.Rxf1] 32.Kh2 Bxf1 33.Rxf1 Qxe2+
34.Kg1 Qxd3 35.Bb4 Qxg3+ 36.Rg2 Qe3+ 37.Rff2 [ 37.Rgf2 d3 38.Qd2 Bd4
with attack] 37...Rxf4 38.Bd2 Qxf2+!-+ 39.Rxf2 Rxf2 40.bxc6 bxc6 41.Qb4
c5 42.Qa5 c4 0-1

Mark


I asume when you write "i ..." you mean "with the idea of ..."

Antonio T.


In every case you are correct in what you assume and what you suppose.
I did warn you about my being a patzer ;-)

Mark H.

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Some own comments and some questions:

- I disagree with the question mark of 7.Nc3 and 8.Nxd5
Mark and chessacademy seems to condene them but some GM (Polugaievski,
Taimanov, Vaganian) have played those moves and one of them (Taimanov)
have repeated them in a second time.

Here I would like to hear any opinion.

- The 11... e4 line is not so clear for me.

First: after 11...e4 12.Qxe4 white has 2 central pawns vs 2 flank pawns.
Second: after 11...e4 12.dxe4 Bxb2 13.Rad1 white has development
advantage which can be more important than an advantage in a far endgame
which maybe never happen.

- There are three important moments which have been not menctioned about
them I have some doubts:

1) what move is preferable 12.Bxd4 or 12.Nxd4?
In the game the Be3 had some problems to have good squares.

2) was 20.h4 a mistake?
20.h4 allowed black to open later the "f" line obtaining a winning
attack. If no better defence can be found that mean 20.h4 was bad.

3) was b5 possible for white in some moment between moves 19th ad 23th?
If white did not have the possibility of playing b5 in some moment, that
mean his entire conception was wrong.

Antonio T

En/na ha escrit:
Antonio Torrecillas ha escrito:

[Event "friendly game - slow control time"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "foment"]
[Black "minguell"]
[Result "0-1"]



here the www,chessacademy.com analysis:
I would like to see any comments about the advice done here.

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6
4. c4 Bg7 5. cxd5 O-O 6. O-O Nxd5 7. Nc3 ?

Taking control of the center is the key............Try to understand
that all your middlegame play which revolved around protecting e2 pawn
happened due to this mistake.The move 7...e5 should be prevented at all
costs and that is what precisely, 7.d4 would have done !

7..... e5 8.Nxd5?

Another mistake...why are you exchanging pieces even before you have
completed your development ? Let you opponent exchange on c3..then you
can get a good c3, d4, e3 central pawn chain to neutralize the power of
g7 bishop. Your opponent's control of the center is getting stronger
by the move.

8.... Qxd5 9. d3 No option ? Right 9...... Nc6 10. Be3 Qd8 11. Qa4 Nd4
?

Here your opponent made a mistake...11......e4 12.de4 Bb2 gives a 3-1
queenside pawn majority..a winning advantage indeed.

12. Nxd4 exd4 13. Bf4 c6 14. b4

This is the time to take stock of the situation.....We have got a semi
open center now and only piece maneuvers or central pawn thrusts can
help. Flank side pawn attack is a no-no..... 14. Qb4 is a b etter
move.. it restricts the motion of C8 Bishop,that of b7 pawn and also if
need be, can be brought on the c1 -h6 diagonal to help white exchange
off the dark squared bishops.

14.....Bg4 15. Rfe1 Re8 16. Qc2 Qd7 17. Rab1 Rad8 18. a4 a6 19. Qb2

Your queenside pawn attack is absolutely hollow since the queen has to
constantly keep an eye on the terribly weak e2 pawn

19.... h6 20. h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 22. Rc2 Kh7 23. Bf1 Bf6 24. Qc1 Bg7
25. Qb2 f6?

25....Qf5 is definitely a better move Now if 26.e4 de3 (en passant)
and a discovered attack on queen by g7 bishop.

26. Rb1 g5 27. hxg5 fxg5 28. Bc1 Rf8 29. b5 Ref7

.... and black wins The rest of the game doesn't require much
comment.

30. f4 Bh3 31. Bd2 Qg4 32. Kh2 Bxf1 33. Rxf1 Qxe2+ 34. Kg1 Qxd3
35. Bb4 Qxg3+ 36. Rg2 Qe3+ 37. Rff2 Rxf4 38. Bd2 Qxf2+
39. Rxf2 Rxf2 40. bxc6bxc6 41. Qb4 c5 42. Qa5 c4

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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:

Some own comments and some questions:

- I disagree with the question mark of 7.Nc3 and 8.Nxd5
Mark and chessacademy seems to condene them but some GM (Polugaievski,
Taimanov, Vaganian) have played those moves and one of them (Taimanov)
have repeated them in a second time.


My dear Antonio, I defer to you. You asked for my opinion, and I gave
it. To Vaganian, certainly, I defer, and as for Taimanov... to him I
defer both as a chessplayer and as a musician....

Here I would like to hear any opinion.

- The 11... e4 line is not so clear for me.

First: after 11...e4 12.Qxe4 white has 2 central pawns vs 2 flank pawns.
Second: after 11...e4 12.dxe4 Bxb2 13.Rad1 white has development
advantage which can be more important than an advantage in a far endgame
which maybe never happen.


Maybe, but I try to play with the endgame in mind. Of course, I usually
get mated on move 7, but I try to regard this as a quibbling little
detail... ;-)


- There are three important moments which have been not menctioned about
them I have some doubts:

1) what move is preferable 12.Bxd4 or 12.Nxd4?
In the game the Be3 had some problems to have good squares.


To me, this is unclear.

2) was 20.h4 a mistake?
20.h4 allowed black to open later the "f" line obtaining a winning
attack. If no better defence can be found that mean 20.h4 was bad.


20.h4 may have been bad in any event, but what do I know?

3) was b5 possible for white in some moment between moves 19th ad 23th?
If white did not have the possibility of playing b5 in some moment, that
mean his entire conception was wrong.

Antonio T

En/na ha escrit:
Antonio Torrecillas ha escrito:

[Event "friendly game - slow control time"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "foment"]
[Black "minguell"]
[Result "0-1"]



here the www,chessacademy.com analysis:
I would like to see any comments about the advice done here.

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 g6
4. c4 Bg7 5. cxd5 O-O 6. O-O Nxd5 7. Nc3 ?

Taking control of the center is the key............Try to understand
that all your middlegame play which revolved around protecting e2 pawn
happened due to this mistake.The move 7...e5 should be prevented at all
costs and that is what precisely, 7.d4 would have done !

7..... e5 8.Nxd5?

Another mistake...why are you exchanging pieces even before you have
completed your development ? Let you opponent exchange on c3..then you
can get a good c3, d4, e3 central pawn chain to neutralize the power of
g7 bishop. Your opponent's control of the center is getting stronger
by the move.

8.... Qxd5 9. d3 No option ? Right 9...... Nc6 10. Be3 Qd8 11. Qa4 Nd4
?

Here your opponent made a mistake...11......e4 12.de4 Bb2 gives a 3-1
queenside pawn majority..a winning advantage indeed.

12. Nxd4 exd4 13. Bf4 c6 14. b4

This is the time to take stock of the situation.....We have got a semi
open center now and only piece maneuvers or central pawn thrusts can
help. Flank side pawn attack is a no-no..... 14. Qb4 is a b etter
move.. it restricts the motion of C8 Bishop,that of b7 pawn and also if
need be, can be brought on the c1 -h6 diagonal to help white exchange
off the dark squared bishops.

14.....Bg4 15. Rfe1 Re8 16. Qc2 Qd7 17. Rab1 Rad8 18. a4 a6 19. Qb2

Your queenside pawn attack is absolutely hollow since the queen has to
constantly keep an eye on the terribly weak e2 pawn

19.... h6 20. h4 Re7 21.Rbc1 Rde8 22. Rc2 Kh7 23. Bf1 Bf6 24. Qc1 Bg7
25. Qb2 f6?

25....Qf5 is definitely a better move Now if 26.e4 de3 (en passant)
and a discovered attack on queen by g7 bishop.

26. Rb1 g5 27. hxg5 fxg5 28. Bc1 Rf8 29. b5 Ref7

.... and black wins The rest of the game doesn't require much
comment.

30. f4 Bh3 31. Bd2 Qg4 32. Kh2 Bxf1 33. Rxf1 Qxe2+ 34. Kg1 Qxd3
35. Bb4 Qxg3+ 36. Rg2 Qe3+ 37. Rff2 Rxf4 38. Bd2 Qxf2+
39. Rxf2 Rxf2 40. bxc6bxc6 41. Qb4 c5 42. Qa5 c4

AT


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