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Old September 1st 07, 07:39 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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This month the Winners at GetClub are (Aug 2007)

1st. zebediah : Points Awarded 35.3 Win ($5.00 as Prize)

2nd sanjay11 : Points Awarded 4.7 Win ($2.00 as Prize)

3rd help bot : Points Awarded 4.5 Win ($1.00 as Prize)

4th apple3feet : Points Awarded 4.3 Win ($1.00 as Prize)

5th bonsai : Points Awarded 2.8 Win ($1.00 as Prize)

6th softtanks : Points Awarded 1.6 Win ($1.00 as Prize)

Games Played at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

This month the competition will be much tougher as Help bot and
apple3feet joined Later. Zebediah has beaten Taylor kingston Score and
is Ranked IInd at GetClub Chess.

Here are the All time Toppers at GetClub

1st Nomorechess (Rating: 1411)

2nd Zebediah (Rating 1319)

3rd Taylor Kingston (Rating: 1315)

4th Chrisf (Rating: 1288)

5th Bob (Rating: 1190)

So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
higher levels at GetClub Chess.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

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So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
higher levels atGetClubChess.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html


A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
not.

If in any game you find the computer has made a wrong move let me know
it.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

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Old September 2nd 07, 03:59 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny wrote:
So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
higher levels atGetClubChess.


Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html


A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
not.


I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to,
but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his
program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the
world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. The
game was really no contest, but Fritz did come up with some amusing
tactical strokes, including a queen sacrifice:

White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level)
Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are
the time each machine took, in seconds)

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0}
5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps
the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating
ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome
pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9.
Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} --
Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0}
13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2,
accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about
-3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of
course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2
{187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is
very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening
18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132}
Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2
{188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has
a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25.
Kxe5Bg7# 0-1

Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
mode.




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Sanny wrote:

A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
not.



I wonder if we could write a Parable entitled:
"The programmer who cried 'It has been improved!'"


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Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny wrote:
So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
higher levels atGetClubChess.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
not.


I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to,
but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his
program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the
world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8.


Sanny did not claim his program can beat Fritz8.

He claimed that it had already beaten "the strongest computer program in
the world".

This was a computer program which controls heavy-lifting cranes on the
Seattle docks. When pitted against Sanny's program in a game of chess,
it was no contest.



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Old September 2nd 07, 06:10 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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On Sep 2, 7:59 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
On Sep 2, 6:47 am, Sanny wrote:

So The rating are changing every month. And it is very tough to reach
higher levels atGetClubChess.


Bye
Sanny


PlayChessat:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html


A little improvement was done, Lets see if it make it play better or
not.


I would say it is at least not playing as stupidly as it used to,
but still not very intelligently. Due to Sanny's claim that his
program had recently beaten "the strongest computer program in the
world," I decided to pit it against my home version of Fritz8. The
game was really no contest, but Fritz did come up with some amusing
tactical strokes, including a queen sacrifice:


My Program is just 1 year old.

So If I call my Program GetClub1 Vs Fritz8.

I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.

When GetClub reaches 8th version it will beat fritz8

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html


White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level)
Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are
the time each machine took, in seconds)

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0}
5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps
the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating
ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome
pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9.
Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} --
Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0}
13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2,
accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about
-3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of
course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2
{187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is
very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening
18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132}
Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2
{188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has
a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25.
Kxe5Bg7# 0-1

Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
mode.


There are a few things

1. Java is 10 times slower than Native Chess.
2. Applets are again 2-3 times slower.

So GetClub Chess was taking 20 times more time.

However I think my game is for general players not for Matching
against Computer. If you want real credit beat the Master Level
without help from Fritz8 or Fritz10.

Zebediah and Nomorechess has beaten Master Level, How about you? I
think you can too.

Tell me the mistakes in the game so that I remove them and make a
stronger opponent for Players playing it.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html



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On Sep 2, 1:10 pm, Sanny wrote:

My Program is just 1 year old.

So If I call my Program GetClub1 Vs Fritz8.

I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.

When GetClub reaches 8th version it will beat fritz8


But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
said here "GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongest
chess program. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really
pretty lousy at chess.
And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
quit lying and making ridiculous claims.

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I think you should compare Getclub1 with Fritz1.

WhenGetClubreaches 8th version it will beat fritz8


But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
said here "GetClubChessbeat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongestchessprogram. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really
pretty lousy atchess.
And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
quit lying and making ridiculous claims.


That was another Java Program which boast of being strongest in the
world. My Program was able to beat it becauase that made a blunder and
gave away its bishop for no reasion.

Play Chess at:http://www.getclub.com/Chess.html

Fritz and Rybka I have not tested. Once my Program starts beating good
players like nomorechess, yourself, bob & Zebediah. Then I will test
it against Fritz & Rybka.

Now it do not make silly moves. Now you told it is not playing
intelligently. What do you mean by that. Can you show some moves which
you think were wrong.

Bye
Sanny

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On Sep 2, 9:59 am, Taylor Kingston wrote:

White: Sanny's program (at "normal" level)
Black: Fritz8 (in blitz mode -- the numbers following each move are
the time each machine took, in seconds)


It is not clear as to whether or not Fritz8 was thinking
on the opponent's (leisurely) time.



1. Nf3 Nf6


Who says Sanny's program can't go toe-to-toe with the
big boys in the opening?


2. Nc3 {127} d5 {0} 3. d4 {205} g6 {0} 4. Bg5 {180} Bg7 {0}
5. Qd3 {211} O-O {8} 6. O-O-O {477} Re8 {0} 7. e4? {118} -- Perhaps
the losing move. Fritz now shows its greatly superior calculating
ability. 7...dxe4 {19} 8. Nxe4 {157} Bf5 {0} -- A very troublesome
pin. White can't break it by 9.Nxf6+, since 9...exf6 wins a piece. 9.
Bxf6 {194} exf6 {0} 10. Re1 {191} Nc6 {14} 11. Kb1 {308} Qd5 {0} --
Fritz rated the position at about -1.45 here. 12. Nfd2 {104} Bxe4 {0}
13. Rxe4 {174} f5 {0} 14. Rxe8+? {238} -- Relatively best was 14.Re2,
accepting the loss of a pawn. Now Fritz rates the position at about
-3.10. 14...Rxe8 {6} 15. Nf3 {272} Qxf3! {4} -- The queen sac. Of
course if White retakes on f3 then 16...Re1+ and mate quicky. 16. Qd2
{187} Qe4 {0} 17. d5?? {172} -- There was no good move, but this is
very bad. Fritz's now saw a forced mate. 17...Qd4! {4} -- Threatening
18...Qxb2# and therefore forcing further material loss. 18. Qc1 {132}
Re1 {0} 19. c3 {141} Rxc1+ {141} 20. Kxc1 {159} Bh6+{159} 21. Kc2
{188} Qa4+ {188} -- At this point Sanny's program resigned. Black has
a forced mate in 4: 22. b3 Qxa2+ 23. Kd3 Ne5+ 24. Kd4 Qxf2+ 25.
Kxe5Bg7# 0-1


Perhaps there is a material limit which triggers the
program to resign? I find it hard to believe that Sanny's
program can spot a mate-in-four, since it nearly always
has trouble finding mate-in-one against itself in my
games.



Pretty much a hare-and-tortoise affair, except that here the hare
never let up. Sanny's program simply doesn't have the speed and
calculating ability to stand up to Fritz8 even in its quickest-moving
mode.


Does Fritz8 have a way of weakening the program to
USCF-rating equivalents? If it does, you might be able
to give some kind of estimate for the strength of the
program at GetClub.

Personally, I find it very hard to estimate, because at
times I feel I am playing a tactically dangerous computer,
yet at other times I feel like I am playing Sanny himself.


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On Sep 2, 4:47 pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:

But Sanny, you said it could beat Fritz8 already! On 22 August you
said here "GetClub Chess beat Worlds Strongest Computer Game !!!"
Surely then it should beat Fritz8, which is nowhere near the strongest
chess program. Yet Fritz beat yours easily. Your program is really
pretty lousy at chess.
And every time this is proven -- and it has been proven many, many,
many times -- all you do is make silly excuses. Sanny, you need to
quit lying and making ridiculous claims.



I suppose the clearest proof is the record of Rob Mitchell
at GetCLub: a perfect 2 - 0.


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