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Default Anand vs Shirov 2000 - French Tarrasch or 3.Nc3 ?

In the book "French Defence 3 Nd2" by Lev Psakhis 2003, Batford Press
(yellow book with two knights on front), there is a game on page 89,
which says:

Anand - Shirov
4th game, World Campionship Final, Teheran 2000.
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 e5 6.c3 Ne6 7.Ndf3 Qb6 8.e2 f6
9.a3!? Be7 ...40.Rh1 Rg2 41.Nh4 1-0

It then goes on to say "A most interesting game, which incedently gave
Anand the title of World Champion"

I've been trying to find the PGN for this game (see my gripe about the
fact authors do not make them available in minute or two ago). But
despite this game being between two top players, in a world
championship, I can't find it.

What I can find is this PGN for this game on Chessgames.com

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1254430

[Event "2000 World Chess Champion"]
[Site "Tehran"]
[Date "2000.12.24"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "4"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Viswanathan Anand"]
[Black "Alexey Shirov"]
[ECO "C11"]
[WhiteElo "2762"]
[BlackElo "2746"]
[PlyCount "81"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Nce2 c5 6. f4 Nc6
7. c3 Qb6 8. Nf3 f6 9. a3 Be7 10. h4 O-O 11. Rh3 a5 12. b3 Qc7
13. Neg1 a4 14. b4 fxe5 15. fxe5 Ndxe5 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nxe5
Qxe5+ 18. Qe2 Bxh4+ 19. Kd1 Qf6 20. Nf3 Qxc3 21. Bb2 Qb3+
22. Kc1 e5 23. Rxh4 Bf5 24. Qd1 e4 25. Qxb3 axb3 26. Nd2 e3
27. Nf3 Rae8 28. Kd1 c4 29. Be2 Be4 30. Kc1 Re6 31. Bc3 Rg6
32. Rh2 Bd3 33. Bxd3 cxd3 34. Kb2 d2 35. Kxb3 Rg3 36. Kb2 g5
37. Kc2 Rc8 38. Kd3 g4 39. Be5 Rc1 40. Rh1 Rxg2 41. Nh4 1-0


which is for round 4 of the 2000 World Chess Championship.

The kibutzing at that page says "This game was sold as having won the
FIDE "world championship" for Anand. Not many were gullible enough to
buy however. Moo Ha Ha!"


So it seems I've probably found the PGN. There are a lot of simularities.

* Same players
* Same year
* One is round 4, other is 4th game
* Both FIDE world championships
* Both have 41 moves, ending in 41.Nh4
* Both won by Anand
* Both French defences (1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5)
* Both in Tehran

But there is something very odd.

* The game on Chessgames.com is a French with 3.Nc3. The one in Psahis's
book is a French Terrasch with 3.Nd2.

Clearly the move orders are quite different. I would have thought the
move order in Psakhis's book was more typical. It looks very much like a
common Terrasch (3.Nd2), where white plays the agressive 5.f4. The move
order on Chessgames.com seems a little odd to me, but perfectly playable
I am sure. Checking with Rybka, it does not see much wrong with the move
order.

Anyone know what is correct?

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[Event "2000 World Chess Champion"]
[Site "Tehran"]
[Date "2000.12.24"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "4"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Viswanathan Anand"]
[Black "Alexey Shirov"]
[ECO "C11"]
[WhiteElo "2762"]
[BlackElo "2746"]
[PlyCount "81"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Nce2 c5 6. f4 Nc6
7. c3 Qb6 8. Nf3 f6 9. a3 Be7 10. h4 O-O 11. Rh3 a5 12. b3 Qc7
13. Neg1 a4 14. b4 fxe5 15. fxe5 Ndxe5 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nxe5
Qxe5+ 18. Qe2 Bxh4+ 19. Kd1 Qf6 20. Nf3 Qxc3 21. Bb2 Qb3+
22. Kc1 e5 23. Rxh4 Bf5 24. Qd1 e4 25. Qxb3 axb3 26. Nd2 e3
27. Nf3 Rae8 28. Kd1 c4 29. Be2 Be4 30. Kc1 Re6 31. Bc3 Rg6
32. Rh2 Bd3 33. Bxd3 cxd3 34. Kb2 d2 35. Kxb3 Rg3 36. Kb2 g5
37. Kc2 Rc8 38. Kd3 g4 39. Be5 Rc1 40. Rh1 Rxg2 41. Nh4 1-0


I feel Move 22...... e5 Played by black is wrong.

22. K-c1 e5
23. Rxh4 Bf5

Here white gains a Bishop, Which could have been saved by B-f6.

22. K-c1 Bf6 {It would have saved the Bishop.}

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Default Anand vs Shirov 2000 - French Tarrasch or 3.Nc3 ?

Sanny wrote :
[Event "2000 World Chess Champion"]
[Site "Tehran"]
[Date "2000.12.24"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "4"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Viswanathan Anand"]
[Black "Alexey Shirov"]
[ECO "C11"]
[WhiteElo "2762"]
[BlackElo "2746"]
[PlyCount "81"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Nce2 c5 6. f4 Nc6
7. c3 Qb6 8. Nf3 f6 9. a3 Be7 10. h4 O-O 11. Rh3 a5 12. b3 Qc7
13. Neg1 a4 14. b4 fxe5 15. fxe5 Ndxe5 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nxe5
Qxe5+ 18. Qe2 Bxh4+ 19. Kd1 Qf6 20. Nf3 Qxc3 21. Bb2 Qb3+
22. Kc1 e5 23. Rxh4 Bf5 24. Qd1 e4 25. Qxb3 axb3 26. Nd2 e3
27. Nf3 Rae8 28. Kd1 c4 29. Be2 Be4 30. Kc1 Re6 31. Bc3 Rg6
32. Rh2 Bd3 33. Bxd3 cxd3 34. Kb2 d2 35. Kxb3 Rg3 36. Kb2 g5
37. Kc2 Rc8 38. Kd3 g4 39. Be5 Rc1 40. Rh1 Rxg2 41. Nh4 1-0


I feel Move 22...... e5 Played by black is wrong.

22. K-c1 e5
23. Rxh4 Bf5

Here white gains a Bishop, Which could have been saved by B-f6.

22. K-c1 Bf6 {It would have saved the Bishop.}


22..e5 is the only move; this ends with white being up with a bishop and
a knight for four pawns, but the white king is slightly in jeopardy and
black pawns are controlling the centre.
22..Bf6 is very bad:
23.Bxf6 Now:
23..gxf6 is impossible, because 24. Nd2 wins a queen for a rook
23..Rxf6 is equally bad because 24. Ne5 wins again the queen for the rook
23...Qc4+ is not better 24.Qxc4 dxc4 25.Be7 Rf7 26.Bxc5 b5
and white are up with a knight and a bishop for three pawns, and black
position is, moreover, very bad (the bishop and the a8-rook are trapped,
the pawns don't control the centre, etc...)


Chessbase9 has only two games played with Anand white and Shirov black,
won by white, starting with 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 in 2000.
Both games continue with 3. Nc3.
One is the world championship game mentioned above, the other was played
in June (26th) at the Fujitsu-Siemens tournament

[Event "Fujitsu Siemens Giants"]
[Site "Frankfurt"]
[Date "2000.06.25"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Shirov, Alexei"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C11"]
[WhiteElo "2769"]
[BlackElo "2751"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[EventDate "2000.06.22"]
[EventType "tourn (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[EventCategory "21"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2000.10.18"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Nce2 c5 6. c3 Nc6 7. f4 Qb6
8. Nf3 Be7 9. a3 O-O 10. h4 f6 11. Rh3 Na5 12. b4 cxb4 13. axb4 Nc4 14.
Ng3 a5 15. Bd3 f5 16. Ng5 Rd8 17. Qh5 Bxg5 18. Qxg5 Rf8 19. Nh5 Rf7 20.
Rg3 g6 21. Bxc4 dxc4 22. b5 Qxb5 23. Ba3 b6 24. Qh6 Bb7 25. Rxg6+ hxg6
26. Qxg6+ Kh8 27. Qxf7 Rg8 28. Bf8 1-0
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Default Anand vs Shirov 2000 - French Tarrasch or 3.Nc3 ?

Dave (from the UK) wrote:
The kibutzing at that page [...]


BTW, you mean `kibitzing' -- a kibbutz is a collective farm.

So it seems I've probably found the PGN. There are a lot of
simularities.
[...]
* One is round 4, other is 4th game


PGN gives no way to distinguish between the fourth round of a
tournament and the fourth game of a match.

But there is something very odd.

* The game on Chessgames.com is a French with 3.Nc3. The one in
Psahis's book is a French Terrasch with 3.Nd2.


Authors sometimes transpose the moves in their example games in order
to fit in with their exposition of an opening. My guess is that this
is what has happened here -- that the game on chessgames.com is the
actual move order but that Psakhis has transposed the game to the more
usual move ordering. It could also be that one of the two is using an
incorrect source of the game.

For the record,
http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/zips/twic320g.zip
and
http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/pgn/a0a1$wpg.zip

both give the 3.Nc3 move order. There's a pretty good chance that
TWIC is correct.


Dave.

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