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Old February 14th 08, 10:14 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Heres a game between Help Bot and Easy.

The interesting thing in this game is that Easy Level lost a pawn but
then again take back that Pawn.

But Help Bot Managed to forcely take another Pawn by using two Rooks.

Game Played between help bot and easy at GetClub.com

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help bot: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...465&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(help bot) -- (easy)

1. e2-e4{4} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{2} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-b5{4} a7-a6{0}
4. Bb5-c6{2} d7-c6{32}
5. Ke1-g1{6} f7-f6{36}
6. d2-d4{10} e5-d4{42}
7. Nf3-d4{6} c6-c5{28}
8. Nd4-b3{44} Bf8-d6{20}
9. Nb3-c5{34} Qd8-e7{20}
10. Nc5-d3{16} Bc8-e6{22}
11. Bc1-f4{40} Ke8-c8{36}
12. Qd1-f3{36} Bd6-f4{36}
13. Nd3-f4{34} Be6-c4{20}
14. Nf4-d3{28} Rd8-d4{22}
15. Nb1-d2{36} Bc4-d3{24}
16. c2-d3{6} Qe7-d8{36}
17. Qf3-g4{64} Qd8-d7{30}
18. Qg4-d7{6} Rd4-d7{36}
19. Ra1-c1{30} Rd7-d3{22}
20. Rc1-c2{14} Ng8-e7{24}
21. Rf1-c1{36} Ne7-c6{34}
22. Kg1-f1{76} Rh8-e8{52}
23. f2-f3{26} Kc8-b8{24}
24. Nd2-b3{50} Re8-e5{36}
25. Nb3-c5{24} Rd3-d6{40}
26. Nc5-a6{14} Kb8-c8{28}
27. a2-a3{32} Re5-b5{40}
28. Na6-b4{48} Rb5-b6{24}
29. Nb4-c6{30} Rb6-c6{28}
30. Rc2-c6{58} b7-c6{24}
31. Kf1-e2{14} g7-g5{30}
32. Rc1-d1{88} Kc8-b8{20}
33. Rd1-d3{22} h7-h5{20}
34. Ke2-e3{22} c6-c5{26}
35. Rd3-d6{26} c7-d6{24}
36. Ke3-d3{30} Kb8-a7{20}
37. Kd3-c4{8} Ka7-b6{28}
38. Kc4-d5{18} Kb6-c7{30}
39. b2-b4{10} c5-b4{40}
40. a3-b4{8} Kc7-d7{42}
41. b4-b5{8} Kd7-e7{22}
42. b5-b6{14} Ke7-d7{20}
43. g2-g3{14} h5-h4{20}
44. g3-h4{10} g5-h4{20}
45. h2-h3{4} Kd7-c8{30}
46. Kd5-c6{28} Kc8-b8{52}
47. b6-b7{10} f6-f5{34}
48. e4-f5{12} Kb8-a7{44}
49. f5-f6{16} d6-d5{22}
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help bot: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...465&game=Chess

It is amazing to see how Help Bot managed to win. Yes in Endgame Black
was a pawn down So It lost when Queen came.

Was there a way for black to save its pawn?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


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Old February 14th 08, 05:11 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Chrisf beaten Taylor Kingston Record at GetClub.

An old player Chrisf has come back this time with more energy.

And he has beaten Taylor Kingston Score and Now he ranks 4th at
GetClub Chess.

I think He is better than Help Bot as he just thinks 10 seconds and
wins the Beginner Level like Carrots.

Earlier Help Bot told me he uses some Computer. But who knows. He may
be playing those game with his super mind.

But he is only playing with Beginer Level. As Beginner Level is at top
Rank and beating it gives more Rating. Higher Levels are already down
by Zebediahs Triumph.

In future Chrisf may overtake Help Bot as he is playing a lots of
games. He left playing at GetClub on April 2007. He was afraid that
Zebediah was going ahead of him.

Initially he was able to Challenge Zebediah But late Zebediah managed
to go at the Top. Now Zebediah has gone for some winter Sleep and
Chrisf has come back.

Lets see How good he plays. Chrisf has not lost even a single game
till now which make me think he uses computer.

But I find he is making moves in just 2 seconds how can he use
computer help and make moves in just 2 seconds. So it looks like he is
playing with his mind.

As for using a computer help he has to make that move on other
computer and copy that to Applet which takes atleast 10-12 seconds. So
looks like he is playing with his mind and not computer.

I have asked him how he is winning so easily lets see what he says.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old February 15th 08, 12:59 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Heres a game between Help Bot and Easy.

On Feb 14, 5:14 am, Sanny wrote:


View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...465&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(help bot) -- (easy)

1. e2-e4{4} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{2} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-b5{4} a7-a6{0}
4. Bb5-c6{2} d7-c6{32}
5. Ke1-g1{6} f7-f6{36}
6. d2-d4{10} e5-d4{42}
7. Nf3-d4{6} c6-c5{28}
8. Nd4-b3{44} Bf8-d6{20}
9. Nb3-c5{34} Qd8-e7{20}
10. Nc5-d3{16} Bc8-e6{22}
11. Bc1-f4{40} Ke8-c8{36}
12. Qd1-f3{36} Bd6-f4{36}
13. Nd3-f4{34} Be6-c4{20}
14. Nf4-d3{28} Rd8-d4{22}
15. Nb1-d2{36} Bc4-d3{24}
16. c2-d3{6} Qe7-d8{36}
17. Qf3-g4{64} Qd8-d7{30}
18. Qg4-d7{6} Rd4-d7{36}
19. Ra1-c1{30} Rd7-d3{22}
20. Rc1-c2{14} Ng8-e7{24}
21. Rf1-c1{36} Ne7-c6{34}
22. Kg1-f1{76} Rh8-e8{52}
23. f2-f3{26} Kc8-b8{24}
24. Nd2-b3{50} Re8-e5{36}
25. Nb3-c5{24} Rd3-d6{40}
26. Nc5-a6{14} Kb8-c8{28}
27. a2-a3{32} Re5-b5{40}
28. Na6-b4{48} Rb5-b6{24}
29. Nb4-c6{30} Rb6-c6{28}
30. Rc2-c6{58} b7-c6{24}
31. Kf1-e2{14} g7-g5{30}
32. Rc1-d1{88} Kc8-b8{20}
33. Rd1-d3{22} h7-h5{20}
34. Ke2-e3{22} c6-c5{26}
35. Rd3-d6{26} c7-d6{24}
36. Ke3-d3{30} Kb8-a7{20}
37. Kd3-c4{8} Ka7-b6{28}
38. Kc4-d5{18} Kb6-c7{30}
39. b2-b4{10} c5-b4{40}
40. a3-b4{8} Kc7-d7{42}
41. b4-b5{8} Kd7-e7{22}
42. b5-b6{14} Ke7-d7{20}
43. g2-g3{14} h5-h4{20}
44. g3-h4{10} g5-h4{20}
45. h2-h3{4} Kd7-c8{30}
46. Kd5-c6{28} Kc8-b8{52}
47. b6-b7{10} f6-f5{34}
48. e4-f5{12} Kb8-a7{44}
49. f5-f6{16} d6-d5{22}
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It is amazing to see how Help Bot managed to win. Yes in Endgame Black
was a pawn down So It lost when Queen came.

Was there a way for black to save its pawn?



Sanny, the program hung its c5-pawn to a very
simple combination: Nxc5, and now if ...Bxc5,
then Q-h5+, forking the King and Bishop. I just
happened to see this on account of very recently
looking over Andy Soltis' book on the Ruy Lopez,
where he pointed out a very similar tactic after
5. ...B-c5??, 6. Q-h5+, winning a piece.

I hung the pawn back though, wasting time
mulling over various attacks involving N-c4, when
I should have focused on just keeping my extra
pawn to eventually win in the endgame. I simply
cannot calculate the tactics deeply enough in
these complex middle game positions-- though
I expect Fritz could.

And speaking of the endgame-- the GetClub
program really has no chance against me there,
on account of the fact that while it is struggling
to calculate three moves ahead, I am thinking
in terms of /strategies/. The difference is
perhaps most apparent in Rook and pawn
endings, like this one. For instance, any half-
decent chess player would "know" not to trade
Rooks, but rather, to trade off the pawns-- as
many as possible. The King and pawns
ending is a cakewalk-- even for me.


-- help bot


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Old February 15th 08, 01:23 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Chrisf beaten Taylor Kingston Record at GetClub.

On Feb 14, 12:11 pm, Sanny wrote:

An old player Chrisf has come back this time with more energy.

And he has beaten Taylor Kingston Score and Now he ranks 4th at
GetClub Chess.

I think He is better than Help Bot as he just thinks 10 seconds and
wins the Beginner Level like Carrots.


Hey, that sounds a lot like someone who is
using a computer. Humans, as we know, tend
to vary their thinking times, according to the
position (among other things). Somebody who
is using say, Fritz or Chessmaster, needs only
a few seconds per move, since they know it
will not "miss" anything that the GetClub
program can "see"; a couple of seconds or so
to relay the move, and a couple more for the
other program to "think", then time for the
second "relay"-- the one where they enter the
reply on the GetClub chess board.


Earlier Help Bot told me he uses some Computer.


A Gateway notebook. Hint: do NOT leave
these things in your vehicle with the windows
rolled up and the vents closed, in the heat of
Summer!!!


But who knows. He may
be playing those game with his super mind.


My boy, if I wanted to use Fritz, I would not
have lost or drawn even a single game at GC!
In fact, I expect Fritzy could give Knight odds
and still win-- perhaps not every game, but
close to it. BTW, I think Fritz is rated around
2600 FIDE.


But he is only playing with Beginer Level. As Beginner Level is at top
Rank and beating it gives more Rating. Higher Levels are already down
by Zebediahs Triumph.


The newcomers, who each start off at 1000, seem
to prefer playing the Beginner level, and that inflates
its rating relative to the other levels' ratings.


In future Chrisf may overtake Help Bot as he is playing a lots of
games. He left playing at GetClub on April 2007. He was afraid that
Zebediah was going ahead of him.


I will simply challenge him to play me,
head to head. First to win ten, draws not
counting; a quarter million dollars to the
winner-- in gold.


Initially he was able to Challenge Zebediah But late Zebediah managed
to go at the Top. Now Zebediah has gone for some winter Sleep and
Chrisf has come back.


You don't suppose they are one and the same
person? Like Batman and Bruce Wayne; like
Superman and Clark Kent; like Dr. Jeckl and
Mr. Hyde?


Lets see How good he plays. Chrisf has not lost even a single game
till now which make me think he uses computer.


A mouse slip? Operator error? What a
clutz!


But I find he is making moves in just 2 seconds how can he use
computer help and make moves in just 2 seconds. So it looks like he is
playing with his mind.


My internet connection often has a built-in
delay which would make that impossible for
me, even if I moved instantly.


As for using a computer help he has to make that move on other
computer


No, he could have someone else operating
the other machine for him.


and copy that to Applet which takes atleast 10-12 seconds. So
looks like he is playing with his mind and not computer.


The true test is to carefully examine the moves;
people and computers "think" differently.


I have asked him how he is winning so easily lets see what he says.


He will probably say it is because your program
is weak; but that's EXACTLY what a cheater
would say! Just punch his games through a
/real/ chess program, and see if he is playing
more like a Fritz, or more like a Chris.


-- help bot



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