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Old May 30th 08, 04:58 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis
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Default King's Indian Avoided?

The following question is as much about the English Opening as it is
about the King's Indian.

Previously I thought that if someone played 1.c4 a KID player would just
get either his normal system or something inferior to the main line.
(Let's say a KID without d4).

This of course seems better than a Gruenfeld player who, as far as I
know, can have his system avoided by the 1.c4 player.

But what I recently found out is that both 1.d4 and 1.c4 players have a
way forcing the KID player into a system he isn't used to. (ie. either
a Hedgehog-like system or a Maroczy Bind-like system)

For example after d4 nf6 c4 g6 nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 Nf3 oo Be2 you would have a
normal KID classical system.

However after d4 nf6 c4 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 d6 white can play first
Be2...leaving the option for classical, Averbak and Be3 systems...but
also the opportunity to play f4 if black plays oo, for example.

After oo f4 in the above line it is important to note that white hasnt
entered the the Keres/Four Pawns Attack since he hasn't played d5.

If black plays c5 and the game goes c5 Nf3 e6 (ie. black plays in
anticipation of inoculating a 4 pawns attack) the fact white hasn't
played d5 makes it a very different system.

If the game continues oo cxd4 Nxd4 a6 black can go into a hedgehog with
b6 and Bb7, otherwise he's going to be in a kind of maroczy bind with a
fianchetto.

So finally after all this preamble here is my question:

Is there any way for the KID player to get a KID every time against 1.d4
and 1.c4?

If he must play into this f4 line without d5, what is the best way to go
about it?

I look forward to your responses..

Mapleleaf
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