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Old July 12th 08, 12:21 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

I played Beginner. I played Handicap Level and got a Knight Extra.

At GetClub with Handicap Level you can turn any level with a Knight/
Bishop/ Rook/ Queen Extra.

I thought that beginer without a Knight will be easy for me to win.

But when I played the game Beginner gave me Check Mate even without a
Knight.

And that too in just 11 Moves.

Rember I was having a Knight Extra. Still Beginner was able to win the
game.

Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner_x_N at GetClub.com

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sanjay11: (Black)
beginner_x_N: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...495&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(beginner_x_N) -- (sanjay11)

1. e2-e4{0} e7-e5{10}
2. Nb1-c3{16} Nb8-c6{4}
3. Bf1-c4{8} d7-d6{4}
4. Qd1-h5{12} g7-g6{14}
5. Qh5-f3{6} Ng8-f6{8}
6. Nc3-b5{10} a7-a6{4}
7. Nb5-c7{6} Qd8-c7{8}
8. Qf3-f6{8} Rh8-g8{12}
9. c2-c3{6} Bf8-e7{8}
10. Qf6-f7{6} Ke8-d7{16}
11. Bc4-e6{2}
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sanjay11: (Black)
beginner_x_N: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...495&game=Chess

So you can see even with a Knight down Beginner is tough on me.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old July 12th 08, 02:30 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

On 12 jul, 13:21, Sanny wrote:
I played Beginner. I played Handicap Level and got a Knight Extra.

At GetClub with Handicap Level you can turn any level with a Knight/
Bishop/ Rook/ Queen Extra.

I thought that beginer without a Knight will be easy for me to win.

But when I played the game Beginner gave me Check Mate even without a
Knight.

And that too in just 11 Moves.

Rember I was having a Knight Extra. Still Beginner was able to win the
game.

Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner_x_N at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sanjay11: (Black)
beginner_x_N: (White)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...495&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(beginner_x_N) -- (sanjay11)

1. e2-e4{0} e7-e5{10}
2. Nb1-c3{16} Nb8-c6{4}
3. Bf1-c4{8} d7-d6{4}
4. Qd1-h5{12} g7-g6{14}
5. Qh5-f3{6} Ng8-f6{8}
6. Nc3-b5{10} a7-a6{4}
7. Nb5-c7{6} Qd8-c7{8}
8. Qf3-f6{8} Rh8-g8{12}
9. c2-c3{6} Bf8-e7{8}
10. Qf6-f7{6} Ke8-d7{16}
11. Bc4-e6{2}
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sanjay11: (Black)
beginner_x_N: (White)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...495&game=Chess

So you can see even with a Knight down Beginner is tough on me.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Well DUH, of course Beginner easily wins from you even when down a
knight. Your chess skills are even worse than your programming skills.
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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

Well DUH, of course Beginner easily wins from you even when down a
knight. Yourchessskills are even worse than your programming skills.- Hide quoted text -


There is one Baby level which is even weak than Beginner. I am unable
to win the Baby Level also.

Now, I will try Baby Level with Extra Knight. If I fail I will get
Extra Rook against Baby Level.

Once can take Extra Queen/ Rook/ Bishop / Knight with any of the
levels. Still they are very strong.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

Sanny schrieb:
Well DUH, of course Beginner easily wins from you even when down a
knight. Yourchessskills are even worse than your programming skills.- Hide quoted text -


There is one Baby level which is even weak than Beginner. I am unable
to win the Baby Level also.

Now, I will try Baby Level with Extra Knight. If I fail I will get
Extra Rook against Baby Level.

Once can take Extra Queen/ Rook/ Bishop / Knight with any of the
levels. Still they are very strong.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Dude, are you serious?
this makes me very curious.. i mean, you openly admit that you have
virtually no understanding of chess whatsoever and YET you are writing
some chess software? how do you do that?
your software must use some algorithm to evaluate a given position. As
you cannot do that yourself,how do you teach a computer? do you use
other existing algorithms?

Tobias
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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

Dude, are you serious?
this makes me very curious.. i mean, you openly admit that you have
virtually no understanding ofchesswhatsoever and YET you are writing
somechesssoftware? how do you do that?
your software must use some algorithm to evaluate a given position. As
you cannot do that yourself,how do you teach a computer? do you use
other existing algorithms?


See I know all rules of Chess. But when I play a game I make so many
mistakes that I am never able to win Beginner Level. It takes my
pieces like birthday cake.

I have good understanding of Chess by getting Help Bot suggestions. He
has helped me a lot. Thats the reasion I seek help from people on the
group. Help Bot suggestions and analysis help me understand the
weaknesses in the game.

Now, I do not find any thing wrong with the game. Yes it makes a few
illegal moves that needs to be corrected.

Beginner Level used to play better than me the first day the program
was launched. I was so happy 2 years back but players on this group
beat it like cucumber and sliced and eat it.

I am just 1100 rated as per the players here. I often play using
Rybka help. Then I am able to beat even the Easy and Normal Levels.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html






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Default I won Baby Level with Extra Rook

I was able to win the Baby Level with 1 Rook extra.

Game Played between sanjay11 and baby_x_R at GetClub.com

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sanjay11: (White)
baby_x_R: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...549&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(sanjay11) -- (baby_x_R)

1. e2-e4{4} e7-e5{0}
2. d2-d3{2} d7-d5{0}
3. e4-d5{2} Qd8-d5{2}
4. Nb1-c3{2} Bf8-b4{2}
5. Bc1-d2{4} Bb4-c3{2}
6. Bd2-c3{2} Ng8-f6{2}
7. Ng1-f3{2} Nb8-c6{2}
8. h2-h3{2} Ke8-g8{2}
9. a2-a3{4} Bc8-d7{4}
10. Bf1-e2{4} Ra8-d8{8}
11. Ke1-g1{4} Bd7-f5{4}
12. b2-b4{4} b7-b6{2}
13. Qd1-d2{10} h7-h6{4}
14. Rf1-e1{6} Rd8-d6{4}
15. Be2-f1{14} Rd6-e6{10}
16. Qd2-e3{4} e5-e4{2}
17. d3-e4{4} Re6-e4{2}
18. Qe3-d2{8} Re4-e1{26}
19. Ra1-e1{4} Kg8-h8{6}
20. Nf3-e5{2} Nc6-e5{2}
21. Qd2-d5{6} Nf6-d5{2}
22. Re1-e5{2} Bf5-e6{4}
23. Bc3-b2{8} c7-c6{2}
24. Bf1-c4{4} b6-b5{2}
25. Bc4-d5{2} Be6-d5{2}
26. Re5-e7{4} a7-a6{2}
27. Re7-a7{20} f7-f6{2}
28. Ra7-a6{6} h6-h5{4}
29. a3-a4{4} b5-a4{2}
30. Ra6-a4{2} Kh8-h7{2}
31. Bb2-d4{4} Kh7-h6{2}
32. c2-c3{6} f6-f5{2}
33. Ra4-a5{4} g7-g6{4}
34. b4-b5{2} c6-b5{2}
35. Ra5-b5{2} Bd5-c4{4}
36. Rb5-c5{2} Bc4-e6{2}
37. Rc5-c6{4} Be6-g8{2}
38. Rc6-c8{4} Bg8-b3{2}
39. c3-c4{2} h5-h4{2}
40. c4-c5{2} g6-g5{2}
41. c5-c6{4} Bb3-e6{2}
42. -c8-h8{4} Kh6-g6{0}
43. c6-c7{6} Kg6-f7{8}
44. Rc7-c8{Q}{4} Be6-c8{2}
45. Bh8-c8{2} g5-g4{2}
46. h3-g4{4} f5-g4{2}
47. -c8-c6{4} h4-h3{2}
48. g2-h3{2} g4-h3{2}
49. Kg1-h2{2} Kf7-e8{4}
50. c6-c7{4} Ke8-d8{2}
51. Bd4-e5{2} Kd8-e8{0}
52. Kh2-h3{4} Re8-f8{6}
53. Kh3-g4{2} Rf8-g8{2}
54. Kg4-g5{2} Rg8-f8{0}
55. Kg5-f6{4} Kf8-e8{0}
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sanjay11: (White)
baby_x_R: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...549&game=Chess

It took me 55 moves to win Baby Level with a Extra Rook.

Am I still 1100+ Player?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

"Sanny" wrote in message
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Dude, are you serious?
this makes me very curious.. i mean, you openly admit that you have
virtually no understanding ofchesswhatsoever and YET you are writing
somechesssoftware? how do you do that?
your software must use some algorithm to evaluate a given position. As
you cannot do that yourself,how do you teach a computer? do you use
other existing algorithms?


See I know all rules of Chess. But when I play a game I make so many
mistakes that I am never able to win Beginner Level. It takes my
pieces like birthday cake.

I have good understanding of Chess by getting Help Bot suggestions. He
has helped me a lot. Thats the reasion I seek help from people on the
group. Help Bot suggestions and analysis help me understand the
weaknesses in the game.

Now, I do not find any thing wrong with the game.




Yes it makes a few illegal moves that needs to be corrected.


Stunned amazement..... ROFL!!!

Man, that problem should not exist.

If you are *still* having illegal move problems after all this time (2
years?), you have got to be one BAD programmer.

The rules of chess are not that difficult to program.

Did it ever occur to you that you should make sure it plays legal chess
before trying to make the play better? That's one of the most basic things
you do.

Did it ever occur to you that even an *average* programmer could write a
chess program from scratch within a month, and it play fully legal chess.
And that even with material & mobility (which is trivial to program), I
suspect it would be at least as strong as yours is now? (If Glaurung is
beating your program with a 1sec vs. 30min thinking difference, then you
have *serious* problems.)

You really don't need to know much about chess to write a basic chess
program that is very tactically strong. Just be even a mediocre programmer
with some basic knowledge of chess and a chess programming.

Sheesh.... "Yes it makes a few illegal moves that needs to be corrected."
What an admission of incompetence. I can't believe you admitted that.


There are a lot of references on computer chess programming. You have to go
out of your way to not see them.

Maybe it's time you stop avoiding them?? Actually learn a few things about
what you are trying to program.

Maybe it's time for you to throw away your first program and start over and
concentrate on the basics? The basics would probably give you a real,
verifiable 2000+ rating on today's hardware. (Most beginning chess
programmers go through at least a couple 'learning' programs before they
learn enough to write a real one.)




Beginner Level used to play better than me the first day the program
was launched. I was so happy 2 years back but players on this group
beat it like cucumber and sliced and eat it.

I am just 1100 rated as per the players here. I often play using
Rybka help. Then I am able to beat even the Easy and Normal Levels.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html








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Default Stupidest game of the month. 11 move Mate.

Sanny schrieb:

See I know all rules of Chess. But when I play a game I make so many
mistakes that I am never able to win Beginner Level. It takes my
pieces like birthday cake.

I have good understanding of Chess by getting Help Bot suggestions.


the reason i asked you ist because i am a student of computer science.
game theory in general is of some interest to me. Unfortunately you did
not reply to my other message concerning GetClub and open source. Have
you thought about that option?

And i am still curious. Do you want to reveal some internals of your
engine? The main question is, how do you compare two positions. ( i mean
positions when the engine has left the opening book)
Say, position A and a position B which is a couple of moves away from
position A. Do you compare material? possibilities of tactics (pins,
forks, ets.), and also, how do you weigh the possible moves. Which move
is more probable to occur in the game? how do you answer that question?

did you write your engine from scratch? or did you start with some
existing engines?

Greetings,
Tobias
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"Tobias Heidelmann" wrote in message
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Sanny schrieb:

See I know all rules of Chess. But when I play a game I make so many
mistakes that I am never able to win Beginner Level. It takes my
pieces like birthday cake.

I have good understanding of Chess by getting Help Bot suggestions.


the reason i asked you ist because i am a student of computer science.
game theory in general is of some interest to me. Unfortunately you did
not reply to my other message concerning GetClub and open source. Have you
thought about that option?


I doubt that he has.

He's rather secretive about his program. Not sure if it's shame or
arrogance.


And i am still curious. Do you want to reveal some internals of your
engine? The main question is, how do you compare two positions. ( i mean


Many people have asked him about some internal details, and he always
ignores the question.

I think he's so secretive because he believes he's such a good programmer
and his chess program is so good that he's right on the verge becoming
internationally famous and rich. (And unfortunately, I'm not joking....)


positions when the engine has left the opening book)
Say, position A and a position B which is a couple of moves away from
position A. Do you compare material? possibilities of tactics (pins,
forks, ets.), and also, how do you weigh the possible moves. Which move is
more probable to occur in the game? how do you answer that question?


Considering Sanny has said he knew nothing about computer chess when he
started, and that he has done no research during this time, it's uncertain
as to what kind of program structure he has. (Do we believe him about his
lack of research.... I think most of us do, else the program would have
progressed much faster.)

I have some suspicioun that it might even be selective search. That would
explain the tactical blunders that people talk about regularly. He's trying
to look at the plasible moves and is missing the tactical stuff because they
don't apear reasonable at first glance.

Unless the program is incredibly buggy (which is possible), a brute force
with just a tiny bit of knowledge would be expected to play substantially
better.


did you write your engine from scratch? or did you start with some
existing engines?


Considering the quality of play and that it's still making illegal moves and
tactical blunders, it is safe to say that he started from scratch with
little to no knowldge of chess programming.




Greetings,
Tobias





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On Jul 12, 12:03 pm, Sanny wrote:

It took me 55 moves to win Baby Level with a Extra Rook.

Am I still 1100+ Player?



You never were, not on your best day.
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