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Old November 18th 08, 05:47 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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GetClub Master Level lost this game in just 30 moves. What was the
wrong move by GetClub?

As per Peter 19. Bxe6 was the wrong move But I do not see any loss in
that move as by that Black gets 2 double Pawns. So It was good for
white to exchange the Bishops and make Blacks pawn double.

But after that Black align its Rooks on the "f " file and Started a
huge attack on the King side.

Was there any way to prevent that attack?

Game Played between peter and master at GetClub.com

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peter: (Black)
master: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...694&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(master) -- (peter)

1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{46}
2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{6}
3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{6}
4. Nf3-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6}
5. Nb1-c3{320} e7-e5{8}
6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
24. Qe2-a6{1860} Rf8-f4{20}
25. Qa6-a8{454} Kg8-h7{126}
26. Qa8-e8{424} Rh3-h1{30}
27. Kg1-h1{0} Rf4-h4{8}
28. Kh1-g1{0} Qg6-g3{18}
29. Qe8-g6{0} Kh7-g6{8}
30. b3-b4{0}
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master: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...694&game=Chess

After the Black Rook take the h3 pawn the game was totally in favour
of Black.

Can Crafty see the loss in 19. Bxe6 After how many depth & time this
loss is seen by Crafty?

Bye
Sanny

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Sanny writes:

White -- Black
(master) -- (peter)

1. e2-e4{0} c7-c5{46}
2. Ng1-f3{0} Nb8-c6{6}
3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{6}
4. Nf3-d4{0} Ng8-f6{6}
5. Nb1-c3{320} e7-e5{8}
6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}

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Can Crafty see the loss in 19. Bxe6 After how many depth & time this
loss is seen by Crafty?


Crafty never considers playing Bxe6. The first output shown during
analysis is after 6 ply and 70ms:

6 0.07 -0.41 19. Bb3 Qf6 20. Nf5 d5 21. Ne3

It later changes its mind to c3 and then b3, but never Bxe6.

After Bxe6 crafty immediately sees a big advantage for black:

9 0.08 -1.18 19. ... fxe6 20. Rd2 Rf4 21. Nf1 Qxe4
22. Qxe4 Rxe4 23. Ng3 Rf4

A little later it reports:

19 37.33 -1.42 19. ... fxe6 20. Nh1 Rf4 21. c3 Rxe4
22. Kh2 Kh7 23. Ng3 Ra4 24. Qxg6+ Kxg6
25. a3 d5 26. f3 Kf6 27. Nh5+ Kf7 28.
b4 Bb6 29. bxa5 Rxa5

So it thinks black is 1.42 pawns ahead.

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On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny wrote:

6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
24. Qe2-a6{1860}


Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?
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On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny wrote:

19. Bc4-e6{782}


That surely was a clinker. You see iy quite often in the Giouco Piano,
where white has a B on b3, and black plays Be6. White should not take.
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Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?- Hide quoted text -


Yes those are time taken in seconds.

Beginner Level Plays in 10 sec / move

Easy Level Plays in 40 sec / move

Normal Level Plays in 160 sec / move

Master Level Plays in 640 sec / move

So it was Master Level taking 10 min per move while Glaurang taking 2
sec / move.

Bye
Sanny

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On Nov 18, 1:30*pm, Offramp wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny wrote:

19. Bc4-e6{782}


That surely was a clinker. You see iy quite often in the Giouco Piano,
where white has a B on b3, and black plays Be6. White should not take.


Why should White not take the Bishop at e6? Black gets Double Pawns So
is it not a loss to black?

Bye
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On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny wrote:

5. Nb1-c3{320} e7-e5{8}
6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
24. Qe2-a6{1860} Rf8-f4{20}
25. Qa6-a8{454} Kg8-h7{126}
26. Qa8-e8{424} Rh3-h1{30}


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Award, even though he did smash his computer monitor during the game.
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Offramp wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:47 am, Sanny wrote:

6. Nd4-c6{1742} b7-c6{10}
7. Bf1-c4{678} Bf8-c5{12}
8. Ke1-g1{1020} Ke8-g8{10}
9. Bc1-g5{552} h7-h6{12}
10. Bg5-f6{360} Qd8-f6{8}
11. Qd1-d3{1132} Bc5-d4{20}
12. Ra1-b1{998} d7-d6{14}
13. Nc3-e2{434} Bd4-b6{14}
14. Qd3-b3{1296} Qf6-g6{18}
15. Ne2-g3{1038} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb3-d3{612} a7-a5{52}
17. Rf1-d1{1180} Bb6-c5{16}
18. h2-h3{458} Bc8-e6{16}
19. Bc4-e6{782} f7-e6{16}
20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
24. Qe2-a6{1860}


Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?


I think they are *minutes*

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20. Rd1-f1{1396} Rf8-f6{198}
21. b2-b3{816} Rb8-f8{12}
22. Ng3-h1{628} Rf6-f3{12}
23. Qd3-e2{2384} Rf3-h3{20}
24. Qe2-a6{1860}


Firstly, what are the numbers after the moves? Surely they can't be
seconds. Surely computers can't take 40 minutes over simple moves?


I think they are *minutes*


No they are seconds.

Bye
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