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White is Tal. What do you THINK he's going to play?

If I was playing this, I also would make the same move as Tal did.
That must mean I play like Tal?

Poor NN--I always see him on the losing end for some reason.

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On Jun 15, 6:39*pm, raylopez99 wrote:

If I was playing this, I also would make the same move as Tal did.
That must mean I play like Tal?


You mean like in that other "mistake free" game you posted where you
simplified and gave up most of your advantage, dissing the active move
Bf5, since you prefer a quiet middle game or some other such dumbass
reply?

Yeah, that's Tal all right.

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On Jun 15, 7:39*pm, raylopez99 wrote:

If I was playing this, I also would make the same move as Tal did.
That must mean I play like Tal?


I have played the same moves as Tal thousands of times. For example,
Tal often played 1.e4, and so have I. That must mean I play like
Tal! ;-)
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On Jun 16, 9:30*am, Taylor Kingston
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On Jun 15, 7:39*pm, raylopez99 wrote:



If I was playing this, I also would make the same move as Tal did.
That must mean I play like Tal?


* I have played the same moves as Tal thousands of times. For example,
Tal often played 1.e4, and so have I. That must mean I play like
Tal! ;-)


No because you think nothing of playing the "trash" against 1. d4. Tal
rarely used that opening against 1. d4. Ray makes unsound moves so he
does play like Tal. The only difference is Tal knew when to make an
unsound move whereas Ray doesn't even know his move is unsound.
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On Jun 16, 10:39*am, None wrote:
On Jun 16, 9:30*am, Taylor Kingston
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On Jun 15, 7:39*pm, raylopez99 wrote:


If I was playing this, I also would make the same move as Tal did.
That must mean I play like Tal?


* I have played the same moves as Tal thousands of times. For example,
Tal often played 1.e4, and so have I. That must mean I play like
Tal! ;-)


Ray makes unsound moves so he does play like Tal.


Yes, in the sense that a 3- or 4-digit number selected at random
will sometimes give the correct time of day.

The only difference is Tal knew when to make an
unsound move whereas Ray doesn't even know his move is unsound.


Good one, Stan!

No because you think nothing of playing the "trash" against 1. d4. Tal
rarely used that opening against 1. d4.


Any resemblance between my play and Tal's is purely coincidental.
Normally there is as much similarity as between a Mars candy bar and
the planet Mars.
Concerning openings, do you mean the Von Henig-Schara Gambit line
of the Tarrasch Defense to the QGD? You're right, Tal hardly ever
played the Tarrasch D, and as far as I can determine, never the VHS.
However, I've had good luck with it, and some big names have played
it:

[Event "Bled"]
[Site "Bled"]
[Date "1931.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Pirc, Vasja"]
[Black "Alekhine, Alexander"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D32"]
[PlyCount "48"]
[EventDate "1931.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "26"]
[EventCountry "SLO"]
[Source "ChessBase"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6. Qxd4 exd5 7.
Qxd5 Nc6 8. Bg5 Nf6 9. Qd2 h6 10. Bxf6 Qxf6 11. e3 O-O-O 12. O-O-O Bg4
13. Nd5 Rxd5 14. Qxd5 Ba3 15. Qb3 Bxd1 16. Qxa3 Qxf2 17. Qd3 Bg4 18.
Nf3 Bxf3 19. Qf5+ Kb8 20. Qxf3 Qe1+ 21. Kc2 Rc8 22. Qg3+ Ne5+ 23. Kb3
Qd1+ 24. Ka3 Rc5 0-1

[Event "Bled"]
[Site "Bled"]
[Date "1931.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Kashdan, Isaac"]
[Black "Tartakower, Saviely"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D32"]
[PlyCount "105"]
[EventDate "1931.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "26"]
[EventCountry "SLO"]
[Source "ChessBase"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6 6. Qd1 exd5 7.
Qxd5 Be6 8. Qxd8+ Rxd8 9. f3 Nb4 10. Kf2 Nc2 11. Rb1 Bc5+ 12. e3 Nh6
13. Bb5+ Ke7 14. g4 f5 15. g5 f4 16. gxh6 fxe3+ 17. Kf1 gxh6 18. b3
Rhg8 19. Rb2 Na3 20. Bc4 Nxc4 21.
bxc4 Bxc4+ 22. Nge2 b5 23. Ke1 Bb6 24. Rg1 Rxg1+ 25. Nxg1 Ba5 26. Nge2
Rd3 27. Rc2 b4 28. Bb2 bxc3 29. Bxc3 Bxc3+ 30. Rxc3 Rxc3 31. Nxc3 Ke6
32. Nd1 Bxa2 33. Nxe3 Ke5 34. Ke2 h5 35. h4 Kf4 36. Kf2 Ke5 37. Nc2
Kf4 38. Ne1 a5 39. Nd3+ Kf5
40. Nc5 Ke5 41. Ke3 Kd5 42. Ne4 Kc4 43. f4 a4 44. f5 a3 45. Kd2 Kb4
46. f6 Bf7 47. Kc1 Bg6 48. Nd2 Kc3 49. Nb1+ Kb3 50. Nd2+ Kb4 51. Ne4
Kc4 52. Nd2+ Kd3 53. Nb3 0-1

[Event "Amsterdam m"]
[Site "Amsterdam"]
[Date "1936.06.16"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Van den Bosch, Johannes"]
[Black "Spielmann, Rudolf"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D32"]
[PlyCount "80"]
[EventDate "1936.??.??"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventRounds "10"]
[EventCountry "NED"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2000.11.22"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6. Qxd4 exd5 7.
Nf3 Nc6 8. Qxd5 Nf6 9. Qd1 Bb4 10. Bd2 O-O 11. e3 Qe7 12. Be2 Bf5 13.
O-O Rfd8 14. a3 Ba5 15. Qa4 a6 16. Rfd1 b5 17. Qb3 Bc7 18. Be1 Bd6 19.
Na2 Rac8 20. Bc3 Ne4 21. Nb4 Na5 22. Qa2 Be6 23. Nd5 Bxd5 24. Rxd5
Rxc3 25. bxc3 Nxc3 26. Qd2 Nxe2+ 27. Qxe2 Bxh2+ 28. Kxh2 Rxd5 29. Kg1
h6 30. Rd1 Rxd1+ 31. Qxd1 Nc4 32. a4 Nb2 33. Qc2 Nxa4 34. Qc8+ Kh7 35.
Qxa6 Nc3 36. Nd4 b4 37. Qc4 Qb7 38. Kf1 g6 39. Nc6 b3 40. Ne7 Qb5 0-1

As Tartakower (iirc) remarked, "Any opening is good if its
reputation is bad enough."



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Tal?

* I have played the same moves as Tal thousands of times. For example,
Tal often played 1.e4, and so have I. That must mean I play like
Tal! ;-)


Not what I meant.

BTW, in the games you posted in the Von Henig-Schara Gambit line of
the Tarrasch Defense to the QGD, the stronger player won.

Has it ever occurred to your pinhead that regardless of the opening,
unless it's an outright bust the stronger player will find a way to
win? So much for your vaunted opening theory.

RL
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On Jun 16, 11:54*am, raylopez99 wrote:
On Jun 16, 6:20*pm, Taylor Kingston
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* Tal?



* I have played the same moves as Tal thousands of times. For example,
Tal often played 1.e4, and so have I. That must mean I play like
Tal! ;-)


Not what I meant.


Still about as logical and valid as your claim to Tal-hood.

BTW, in the games you posted in the Von Henig-Schara Gambit line of
the Tarrasch Defense to the QGD, the stronger player won.


Has it ever occurred to your pinhead that regardless of the opening,
unless it's an outright bust the stronger player will find a way to
win? *


Really? You mean like in this game?

[Event "Burlington CC"]
[Site "Burlington, VT, USA"]
[Date "1995.06.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Winer, Steven"]
[Black "Kingston, Taylor"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D32"]
[WhiteElo "2117"]
[BlackElo "1820"]
[Annotator "Kingston,Taylor"]
[PlyCount "48"]
[EventDate "1995.15.06"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. cxd5 cxd4 5. Qa4+ Bd7 6.Qxd4 exd5 7.
Qxd5 Nc6 8. a3 Nf6 9. Qd1 Bc5 10. e3 Qe7 11. Nf3
O-O-O 12. Qc2 Kb8 13. Be2 g5 14. b4 g4 15. Nd2 Bb6 16. Nc4 Bc7 17. Bb2
Ne5 18. Rc1 Bc6 19. Kf1 Qe6 20. Nxe5 Bxe5 21. b5 Bd7 22. Qa4 Rc8 23.
Qb4 Nd5 24. Bc4 Rxc4 0-1

White was the reigning Vermont state champ and is now a FIDE Master
rated 2401.

So much for your vaunted opening theory.


You continue to argue with things I never said. I have never
"vaunted" the VHS. In my opinion (and the opinions of many far more
qualified than I), it's probably unsound. It's just a line with good
surprise value, I enjoy playing it, and have done well with it.
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No because you think nothing of playing the "trash" against 1. d4. Tal
rarely used that opening against 1. d4.


* Any resemblance between my play and Tal's is purely coincidental.
Normally there is as much similarity as between a Mars candy bar and
the planet Mars.
* Concerning openings, do you mean *the Von Henig-Schara Gambit line
of the Tarrasch Defense to the QGD? You're right, Tal hardly ever
played the Tarrasch D, and as far as I can determine, never the VHS.
However, I've had good luck with it, and some big names have played
it:


****, I thought I was replying to a post by old man Dowd. he had
posted in front of you and... my bad. Steve played the trash a lot but
I don't know if he liked Ken Smith's VHS line.


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On Jun 15, 7:39*pm, raylopez99 wrote:

If I was playing this, I also would make the same move as Tal did.
That must mean I play like Tal?


Ray, not only do you not play like Tal, but also you are badly
inferior to him as a person. Here's how he's described in Seirawan's
new book:

"Of all the World Champions, Mikhail Tal, 'Mischa' to one and all,
was the most liked, admired and, yes, loved by colleagues and chess
fans the world over. He was a strikingly kind and nice person. He had
a soft voice and a lovely, self-deprecating wit. I never heard him
utter a harsh word in his life ... His writings showed him to be a
worldly, caring person."

Based on the way you act here, Ray, I would say you are as far below
Tal as a man, as you are below him as a chess player.

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On Jun 16, 7:17*pm, Taylor Kingston
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BTW, in the games you posted in the Von Henig-Schara Gambit line of
the Tarrasch Defense to the QGD, the stronger player won.
Has it ever occurred to your pinhead that regardless of the opening,
unless it's an outright bust the stronger player will find a way to
win? *


* Really? You mean like in this game?

Qb4 Nd5 24. Bc4???????????????????????????????????? Rxc4 0-1


TK please! Do you think blundering the queen on move 24 by white
decided the game, or the choice of opening? Clearly the blunder did.
That said, I congratulate you, as it was a fine game, though you were
losing in material. Of interest was that 19. O-O? was out of the
question. So White gave up the right to castle in exchange for a
pawn. No unlike the giving up of a pawn for an attacking game in
numerous lines, including this popular continuation of the Italian
Game ( 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ c6
7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 h6 9. Nf3) *


* White was the reigning Vermont state champ and is now a FIDE Master
rated 2401.


Wow. He sure progressed. Pity you didn't. But at least you have
this board, where you reign as a master (baiter) of sorts.


So much for your vaunted opening theory.


So much for your theory that openings matter. Even the game you
posted the stronger player was winning, in material, until he
blundered his queen on move 24.


* You continue to argue with things I never said. I have never
"vaunted" the VHS. In my opinion (and the opinions of many far more
qualified than I), it's probably unsound. It's just a line with good
surprise value, I enjoy playing it, and have done well with it.


Blind. Squirrel. Nut.

RL
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