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On Jun 26, 6:17*pm, Taylor Kingston
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Where do we start? *Taking the fianchetto bishop and attacking K-side
is one idea for white, but as for a clear win I don't really see one.


* White's chance came at move 22, in this position:

2b1r1k1/r2nqpbp/pp1p1npB/2pPp3/P1P1P1P1/1PN2PNP/3Q3K/R4BR1 w - - 0 22

* Fine played 22.Bxg7, but could have decided matters with 22. Nf5!
gxf5 23. Qg5 Nxg4+ (if 23...Qf8 simply 24.gxf5+) 24. Rxg4 Qxg5 25.
Rxg5 f4 26. Rxg7+. What I find most interesting is not that Fine
missed this during the game (under the circumstances that was quite
understandable), but that he also missed it later when annotating the
game for his Chess Review column.
* He clearly was thinking about an Ng3-f5 shot. Just the move before,
after 21.Bf1, he commented "There is plenty of time for Kt-B5." But
for 22.Bxg7, all he says is "Otherwise ...Q-B1 forces the exchange
under less favorable circumstances." And ironically, after move 24 he
wrote "The threat of Kt-B5ch will become real some day," not seeing
that it already had.


Yeah, and if I make that mistake in blitz you jump all over me.

Hypocrite.

Truth is, even Fritz 9 running at 5 sec/move missed it...only when I
let it linger longer did it find it.

RL
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On Jun 28, 11:05*am, Mark Houlsby wrote:

I'm too short-sighted to be able to tell. In any event, I have *been*
****witted several times.


I do hope the lads used a condom.
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On 28 June, 20:25, raylopez99 wrote:
On Jun 26, 6:17*pm, Taylor Kingston
wrote:





Where do we start? *Taking the fianchetto bishop and attacking K-side
is one idea for white, but as for a clear win I don't really see one.


* White's chance came at move 22, in this position:


2b1r1k1/r2nqpbp/pp1p1npB/2pPp3/P1P1P1P1/1PN2PNP/3Q3K/R4BR1 w - - 0 22


* Fine played 22.Bxg7, but could have decided matters with 22. Nf5!
gxf5 23. Qg5 Nxg4+ (if 23...Qf8 simply 24.gxf5+) 24. Rxg4 Qxg5 25.
Rxg5 f4 26. Rxg7+. What I find most interesting is not that Fine
missed this during the game (under the circumstances that was quite
understandable), but that he also missed it later when annotating the
game for his Chess Review column.
* He clearly was thinking about an Ng3-f5 shot. Just the move before,
after 21.Bf1, he commented "There is plenty of time for Kt-B5." But
for 22.Bxg7, all he says is "Otherwise ...Q-B1 forces the exchange
under less favorable circumstances." And ironically, after move 24 he
wrote "The threat of Kt-B5ch will become real some day," not seeing
that it already had.


Yeah, and if I make that mistake in blitz you jump all over me.

Hypocrite.


Not hypocrisy. Realism.

Truth is, even Fritz 9 running at 5 sec/move missed it...only when I
let it linger longer did it find it.

RL


Right. So Fine (who, according to you, could have been just anybody)
did better blindfold at ten-seconds-per-move than you did running
Fritz 9 (until you cranked it up).

Really, I had thought that your prior stupidity couldn't be surpassed.

You just did it, though.

Keep wearing the juice.

MH
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None wrote:

On Jun 28, 11:05 am, Mark Houlsby wrote:

I'm too short-sighted to be able to tell. In any event, I have *been*
****witted several times.


I do hope the lads used a condom.


Why hope that turdbrain ?

I mean, if these gruppes are being taken over by morons like you ?

Gawd helpus - GI joe aside - no ?

m.
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Mark Houlsby wrote:
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Right. So Fine (who, according to you, could have been just anybody)
did better blindfold at ten-seconds-per-move than you did running
Fritz 9 (until you cranked it up).

Really, I had thought that your prior stupidity couldn't be surpassed.

You just did it, though.

Keep wearing the juice.

MH


[Event "GRONINGEN"]
[Site "14"]
[Date "1946.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Mikhail Botvinnik"]
[Black "Alexander Kotov"]
[ECO "E24"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "48"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5
7.Bg5 c5 8.f3 h6 9.Bxf6 Qxf6 10.e3 O-O 11.Ne2 Re8 12.Kf2 Qe7
13.Qd2 Nd7 14.Nf4 Nf6 15.Bd3 Bd7 16.h3 Qd6 17.Rhb1 b6 18.Bf1
Re7 19.a4 Rae8 20.Re1 c4 21.g4 g5 22.Ne2 Rxe3 23.Ng3 Qxg3+
24.Kxg3 Ne4+ 0-1

===

Dec-09-09
al wazir: gofer: Some have suggested that 22 Ne2 was poor, but what
were the alternatives? . . . 22 ... Qh2 and Ph3 is lost . . .

That's not obvious: 23. Qd1 Qxh3 24. Bxc4! Bxg4 (24...dxc4? 25. Rh1;
24...Nxg4 25. fxg4 Bxg4 26. Rh1 Bxd1 27. Rxh3 Bg4 28. Rg3 Be6 29. Bd3)
25. Rh1 Qxf3+ 26. Qxf3 Bxf3 27. Kxf3 dxc4 28. Rxh6.

Dec-08-09
muralman: missed it. I agree..... this one was harder than Sunday. That
is Ok with me, but, being this is Monday, I told myself not to
complicate things.... Keep things simple. I got it wrong on all counts.

Dec-08-09 fyad reject: considered and immediately discarded the
correct move because i didnt realize 24. Kxg3 pins the f-pawn. gave up
after looking at a billion other lines for like 10 mins. seemingly no
end to the "easy" puzzles i can fail

Dec-08-09 Quentinc: Something about the juxtaposition of your
postings amused me. Goodevans, that was a deliciously subtle way of
putting it.
Personally, I did not find this too easy for a Tuesday. In fact, I found
it harder than last Sunday's "insane" puzzle and last Saturday's "very
difficult," having wasted time on some of the other tempting lines
before Qxg3+ fell out of a tree and hit me on the head.

Dec-08-09 MaczynskiPratten: As others have said, a very
un-Botvinnik-like game. Had he been on the vodka the night before?
Several early moves look odd, and after 22 Ne2? Rxe3 White already seems
to be in desperate trouble and almost paralysed.
If 23 Qxe3 (apparently getting 2 Rooks for the Q and P) Qh2+! 24 Bg2
Rxe3 25 Kxe3 Qxg2. If 23 Ng1 Ne4+! and if now 24 Kxe3 Qf4+ 25 Ke2 Qxd2#!
If 23 Nc1 Rxe1, and 23 Ng3 is refuted as shown in the game.

Dec-08-09 goodevans: remolino: Spent ages (5 minutes) trying to make
23...Ne4 work...remolino: [2nd posting] ... I suggest CG ups the
difficulty level a notch.
Something about the juxtaposition of your postings amused me.
As for the difficulty level, I quite often comment when I don't think
it's right in the hope that such criticism is taken constructively.
Today's puzzle, though, combines the themes of sacrifice, fork and pin
so, whilst easy enough for a Tuesday, it's beyond what you'd normally
expect for a Monday.

Dec-08-09
Once: dzechiel Fully agree. I think the difficulty level is about
right, barring the occasional glitch (which anyway gives us plenty to
talk about).
If chess is to survive against the simpler pleasures of poker and the
like, we need new players, and that means keeping Mondays and Tuesdays
relatively simple. The rest of us just need to develop our tweazy
goggles, so we filter out the "too easy for a ???day" comments.

Dec-08-09 WhiteRook48: 23...Qxg3+ duh!!

Dec-08-09
dzechiel: remolino: I suggest CG ups the difficulty level a notch.
It seems to me that the CG staff is doing an excellent job of selecting
the daily positions. We need to remember that players of all strengths
visit this site (with many more novices than experts) and that
increasing the difficulty of the daily position will alienate more users
than it will make happy. CG is running a business here, and must
necessarily attempt to entice new memberships. If you really enjoy this
site, then I encourage you to spring for a year's subscription. At
$29.00 per year, it's an excellent investment in your game.

Dec-08-09
TheaN: Tuesday 8 December 2009 23....?

Target: 1:25;000
Taken: 2:21;799

Material: Black up,
Candidates: Rxf3, Qxg3.....hm?, oh, of course [Qxg3]
-ML- Not terribly hard although it's difficult to go from a mating
attack to winning material. Initially I thought Rxf3 for mate, but the
square g2-h1 is safe enough. After that my attention went to
23....Qxg3, opting 24.Kxg3 Ne4 25.Kf2 Nxd2, leading to a Black loss
with 26.Rxe3 Rxe3 27.Kxe3 Nxf1 28.Rxf1. However, as simple as it goes:

23....Qxg3! 24.Kxg3 Ne4 Kf2 is impossible... so the King has to
leave the attacking post on f2.

25.Kg2 Nxd2 and now Black won a piece, instead of losing an exchange.
Time to check.


Dec-08-09
FSR: Just "Kotov" the knight with 23...Qxg3+, leaving Black a piece
up after 24...Ne4+ and 25...Nxd2. (Sorry, but somebody had to say it.)

Dec-08-09 remolino: chessgames.com wrote: This might have been a
Monday puzzle -- but with so many pieces on the board, we knew there was
no shortage of red herrings.
I suggest CG ups the difficulty level a notch. Mondays are too easy. And
we could benefit from harder puzzles that do not lead to mate or gain of
material, but simply to improved positions requiring significant
positional jugdement. Just my suggestions. Thanks CG for a great site.


Dec-08-09 remolino: Spent ages (5 minutes) trying to make 23...Ne4
work. It works after:
A. 24.Ke3 Nxd2+ 25.Kxd2 Qxg3 and after
B. 24.fxe4 Qg3++


But it does not work after:


Dec-08-09 Patriot: This seems a little more difficult for a Tuesday
problem. A number of candidates look inviting: Rxf3+, Re2+, Ne4+, Qf4,
and Qxg3+
Qxg3+ was my last choice since I didn't at first see that Ne4+ becomes
possible due to the pin. This would seem very easy to miss OTB, as
Botvinnik did. Think about it--he had to PREVENT this combination. I'm
guessing a lot of us would have missed it as well from a defense
standpoint. It's a lot easier to see a combination that can be played
against your opponent than it is to prevent it from being used on you.

Dec-08-09 cyclon: 23.-Qxg3+ 24.Kxg3 Ne4+ wins a piece.

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m.


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micky wrote:

[Event "GRONINGEN"]
[Site "14"]
[Date "1946.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Mikhail Botvinnik"]
[Black "Alexander Kotov"]
[ECO "E24"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "48"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5
7.Bg5 c5 8.f3 h6 9.Bxf6 Qxf6 10.e3 O-O 11.Ne2 Re8 12.Kf2 Qe7
13.Qd2 Nd7 14.Nf4 Nf6 15.Bd3 Bd7 16.h3 Qd6 17.Rhb1 b6 18.Bf1
Re7 19.a4 Rae8 20.Re1 c4 21.g4 g5 22.Ne2 Rxe3 23.Ng3 Qxg3+
24.Kxg3 Ne4+ 0-1

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