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On May 10, 1:51*pm, Alex wrote:
who will win this encounter and why?

do you think gata can make it to the finals?


Kamsky is a VERY hard man to beat. Even way back in 1994 Anand
discovered that unless you mate Gata he will constantly wriggle and
cause problems...
Amazing to think that this game was 17 years ago. Kamsky is even
better now.
[Event "Candidates FIDE sf1"]
[Site "Sanghi Nagar"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Kamsky, Gata"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E41"]
[WhiteElo "2695"]
[BlackElo "2720"]
[Annotator "Anand"]
[PlyCount "117"]
[EventDate "1994.07.??"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventRounds "8"]
[EventCountry "IND"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1994.10.01"]

1. d4 {Ftacnik} Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Nf3
Bxc3+ 7.
bxc3 d6 8. O-O O-O 9. Nd2 e5 10. Ne4 b6 $5 11. Qf3 Bb7 12. Ng3 $6 (12.
Nxf6+
Qxf6 13. Qxf6 gxf6 14. f4 $1 (14. d5 $2 Na5 $15 { c4}) (14. Be4
{Ftacnik} Na5
{xc4}) 14... Na5 15. e4 Ba6 16. Rf3 $44) 12... Kh8 $1 (12... Na5 13.
e4 $1) (
12... Qd7 13. d5 Na5 14. e4 Ba6 15. Qe2 Qa4 $140 16. Bg5) 13. d5 $6
(13. Qd1
$13 {Ftacnik Anand}) 13... e4 $1 14. Bxe4 (14. Nxe4 Ne5 15. Qe2 Nxe4
16. Bxe4
f5 $1 17. Bd3 Ba6 $44 (17... Qh4 {Ftacnik} 18. f4 Nxd3 19. Qxd3 Rae8
20. Bd2
Re4 {/\ Ba6})) 14... Ne5 15. Qf4 (15. Qe2 $2 Ba6 16. Bd3 (16. Rd1
{Ftacnik}
Bxc4 17. Qc2 $15) 16... Nxd5 $1) 15... Ba6 (15... g5 $6 16. Qxg5 Rg8
17. Qh6
Rxg3 18. fxg3 $1 Nxe4 19. Rf4 Nxc3 $140 20. Bb2 $1 $16) 16. Rd1 $2
(16. Bf3
Bxc4 17. Rd1 $15) 16... g5 $1 17. Qxg5 $8 (17. Qf5 Bc8 18. Qxg5 Rg8)
17... Rg8
18. Qh6 (18. Qf4 {Ftacnik} Rg4 19. Qh6 Nxe4 20. f3 Rg6 $19) 18... Rxg3
19. hxg3
Nxe4 20. f3 Nxg3 (20... Nxc3 {Ftacnik} 21. Re1 Bxc4 22. Bb2 Na4 23.
Bxe5+ dxe5
24. e4 $17) 21. e4 Qf8 $2 (21... Ne2+ $1 22. Kf2 Nxc1 23. Raxc1 (23.
Rh1 $2
Ncd3+ 24. Ke3 Qg8 $19) 23... Qe7 $17) 22. Qxf8+ $2 (22. Qf6+ $1 Qg7 $8
(22...
Kg8 23. Bh6 Nh5 24. Bxf8 Nxf6 25. Bxd6) 23. Qxg7+ (23. Qxd6 $2
{Ftacnik} Nxf3+
24. gxf3 Nxe4+ $19) 23... Kxg7 24. Kf2 Nh5 25. Rh1 $13) 22... Rxf8 23.
Kf2 Rg8
24. Bf4 Nh5 25. Bxe5+ dxe5 26. Rh1 Nf6 27. a4 Bxc4 28. g4 Rg6 29. a5
b5 30. Rh4
Kg7 31. Ke3 a6 32. Rg1 h6 33. Rh2 Ne8 34. Rh5 f6 35. f4 (35. Rh2
{Ftacnik} Nd6
$19) 35... exf4+ 36. Kxf4 Nd6 37. e5 fxe5+ 38. Rxe5 Rf6+ $19 39. Ke3
Nf7 40.
Rf5 Kg6 41. Ke4 $1 Rd6 $2 (41... Nd6+ 42. Ke5 Nxf5 43. gxf5+ Kf7 44.
d6) (41...
Ng5+ $1 42. Kf4 (42. Ke5 Nf3+) (42. Ke3 {Ftacnik} Rxf5 43. gxf5+ Kxf5
44. Rh1
Nf7 $19) 42... Bxd5 (42... Nh3+ 43. Ke5) 43. Rd1 Bc4 $1 { a6} 44.
Rxf6+ Kxf6
45. Rd6+ Ne6+ 46. Ke4 b4 $19) 42. Rd1 Be2 43. Rd2 (43. Rg1 {Ftacnik}
Ng5+ 44.
Ke5 Rd8 45. Rc1 Re8+ 46. Kd6 Bxg4 $17) 43... Bc4 (43... Bxg4 {Ftacnik}
44. Rf4
h5 45. Rdf2 Ng5+ 46. Ke5 Rd8 47. d6 $132) 44. Kf4 Kg7 45. Rd1 Bb3 $2
(45... Rf6
$1 46. Rd2 Nd6 $17 {e2}) 46. Rd2 Rf6 47. Rd3 $1 (47. d6 {Ftacnik}
Be6 48.
Rxf6 Kxf6 $17) 47... Nd6 $4 (47... Rd6 $17) (47... Rd6 {Ftacnik} 48.
Rd2 Bc4
49. Rd1 Rd7 50. Rd2 b4 51. cxb4 cxb4 52. Rd4 Nd6 53. Re5 b3 $19) 48.
Rxf6 Kxf6
49. Re3 $1 $10 Bxd5 50. Re5 Bb7 (50... Bg2 {Ftacnik} 51. Rxc5 Nc4 52.
Rh5 (52.
Rc7 Nxa5 53. Ra7 Bb7 $19) (52. Rf5+ Kg7 53. g5 Bb7 54. gxh6+ Kxh6 55.
Rf6+ Kg7
56. Re6 Nxa5 $19) 52... Kg6 53. Rh2 Bd5 54. Ra2 $17) 51. Rxc5 Nc4 52.
Rc7 Nxa5
53. Rh7 Kg6 54. Rd7 Bc8 55. Rd8 Be6 56. Rd6 Kf6 57. Rxa6 Nc4 58. Rc6
Ne5 59.
Rb6 1/2-1/2
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On May 14, 8:09*pm, Offramp wrote:
On May 10, 1:51*pm, Alex wrote:

who will win this encounter and why?


do you think gata can make it to the finals?


Kamsky is a VERY hard man to beat. Even way back in 1994 Anand
discovered that unless you mate Gata he will constantly wriggle and
cause problems...

\

That's true of all strong players. Witness the fortress escape by
Grischuk in his recent draw against Kramnik.

RL

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On May 14, 12:38*pm, raylopez99 wrote:
On May 14, 8:09*pm, Offramp wrote: On May 10, 1:51*pm, Alex wrote:

who will win this encounter and why?


do you think gata can make it to the finals?


Kamsky is a VERY hard man to beat. Even way back in 1994 Anand
discovered that unless you mate Gata he will constantly wriggle and
cause problems...


\

That's true of all strong players. *Witness the fortress escape by
Grischuk in his recent draw against Kramnik.

RL


At the rate we are going the question is who will have the stronger
nerves in a tie breaking situation. Can't believe a World Champion
contender can be determined by a Rapid game tie breaker.Hate it ,hate
it,hate it. Still like Kamsky's chances who is a top notch defender..

EJAY
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On May 14, 1:24*pm, EJAY wrote:

Kamsky is a VERY hard man to beat. Even way back in 1994 Anand
discovered that unless you mate Gata he will constantly wriggle and
cause problems...


That's true of all strong players.



Not true-- some go down without much fight. For example, did you
know that
Capablanca defeated Em. Lasker without the loss of even a single
game? Yup.
And did you know that Steinitz reputedly 'experimented' with dubious
openings,
even whilst defending his title as world champion? Crazy. And look
at what
happened when Deep Thought -- a 'strong player' -- played Gary
Kasparov: a
massacre (although 'only one' computer was ravaged).


At the rate we are going the question is who will have the stronger
nerves in a tie breaking situation. Can't believe *a World Champion
contender can be determined by a Rapid game tie breaker.Hate it ,hate
it,hate it. Still like Kamsky's chances who is a top notch defender..



In my area the choice is between a) regular events which feature
horribly fast
time controls (and thus, poor chess) with small entry fees and even
smaller
prize funds, or b) exceedingly expensive events where the prize
moneies are
funneled up to the top, typically going to travelling professional
players with the
first two initials 'G.M.' and last name ending in '...vich' or
'...ov.' In other words,
folks who could offer virtually the entire state of Indiana knight
odds (but who
never do).

Your lament of the current messy state of things is duly noted. In
the good
old days of course, things were decided by an open-ended match of
unlimited
duration, with an arbitrary intervention by a FIDE president at the
very moment
when things were finally getting interesting (after about a million or
so draws).
Ahhh, the good old days....


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Atleast these guys have played exciting chess. Yesterday, both missed
winning opportunities. Seems, Gelfand will make it. He has white in
the last game.

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