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Old January 20th 04, 03:35 PM
Sandy Breon
 
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Default 4..Bc5 in Scotch Gambit

I have a question about this line in the Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5

As White, after playing the 5. c3 main line, Black can tranpose into the
Giuoco Piano with 5..Nf6. Not the type of quiet game that I want from this
opening. I have been looking at 5. Ng5. There are some nice combinations
against on f7.

Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Ne5(or Nh6) 6.Nxf7
Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5

However, I noticed that Black has 6..Bb4+, a very annoying resource which
appears to equalize for Black.
Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Bb4+ 7.c3
dxc3 8.bxc3 Nxf7 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. cxb4

But if Black does not find that Bb4+ resource, White has a nice game.

So my question is- what is the better choice - 5. Ng5 or 5. c3?

Thanks,
Sandy



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Old January 20th 04, 05:46 PM
bruno de baenst
 
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Default 4..Bc5 in Scotch Gambit

you can say a lot about the giuoco Piano but if you play 5) c3 Nf6 6)cxd4
Bb4+ 7)Nc3!? it is far from quiet

"Sandy Breon" schreef in bericht
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I have a question about this line in the Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5

As White, after playing the 5. c3 main line, Black can tranpose into the
Giuoco Piano with 5..Nf6. Not the type of quiet game that I want from this
opening. I have been looking at 5. Ng5. There are some nice combinations
against on f7.

Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Ne5(or Nh6) 6.Nxf7
Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5

However, I noticed that Black has 6..Bb4+, a very annoying resource which
appears to equalize for Black.
Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Bb4+ 7.c3
dxc3 8.bxc3 Nxf7 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. cxb4

But if Black does not find that Bb4+ resource, White has a nice game.

So my question is- what is the better choice - 5. Ng5 or 5. c3?

Thanks,
Sandy





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Old January 20th 04, 07:45 PM
Sandy Breon
 
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Default 4..Bc5 in Scotch Gambit

That is the Moller Attack, right?


"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
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you can say a lot about the giuoco Piano but if you play 5) c3 Nf6 6)cxd4
Bb4+ 7)Nc3!? it is far from quiet

"Sandy Breon" schreef in bericht
t...
I have a question about this line in the Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5

As White, after playing the 5. c3 main line, Black can tranpose into the
Giuoco Piano with 5..Nf6. Not the type of quiet game that I want from

this
opening. I have been looking at 5. Ng5. There are some nice combinations
against on f7.

Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Ne5(or Nh6) 6.Nxf7
Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5

However, I noticed that Black has 6..Bb4+, a very annoying resource

which
appears to equalize for Black.
Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Bb4+

7.c3
dxc3 8.bxc3 Nxf7 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. cxb4

But if Black does not find that Bb4+ resource, White has a nice game.

So my question is- what is the better choice - 5. Ng5 or 5. c3?

Thanks,
Sandy







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Old January 20th 04, 08:34 PM
bruno de baenst
 
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Default 4..Bc5 in Scotch Gambit

right

"Sandy Breon" schreef in bericht
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That is the Moller Attack, right?


"bruno de baenst" wrote in message
...
you can say a lot about the giuoco Piano but if you play 5) c3 Nf6

6)cxd4
Bb4+ 7)Nc3!? it is far from quiet

"Sandy Breon" schreef in bericht
t...
I have a question about this line in the Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5

As White, after playing the 5. c3 main line, Black can tranpose into

the
Giuoco Piano with 5..Nf6. Not the type of quiet game that I want from

this
opening. I have been looking at 5. Ng5. There are some nice

combinations
against on f7.

Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Ne5(or Nh6)

6.Nxf7
Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5

However, I noticed that Black has 6..Bb4+, a very annoying resource

which
appears to equalize for Black.
Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Bb4+

7.c3
dxc3 8.bxc3 Nxf7 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. cxb4

But if Black does not find that Bb4+ resource, White has a nice game.

So my question is- what is the better choice - 5. Ng5 or 5. c3?

Thanks,
Sandy









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Old January 20th 04, 10:05 PM
Paolo
 
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Default 4..Bc5 in Scotch Gambit

The best line, with 5.Ng5, for black is:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 (5.-,Ne5?!) 6.Nxf7 Nxf7
7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5 d5! =

And if 10.exd5 Re8+ & Re5 =

5.c3 is more flexible than 5.Ng5.

Bye
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I have a question about this line in the Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5

As White, after playing the 5. c3 main line, Black can tranpose into the
Giuoco Piano with 5..Nf6. Not the type of quiet game that I want from this
opening. I have been looking at 5. Ng5. There are some nice combinations
against on f7.

Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Ne5(or Nh6) 6.Nxf7
Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5

However, I noticed that Black has 6..Bb4+, a very annoying resource which
appears to equalize for Black.
Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Bb4+ 7.c3
dxc3 8.bxc3 Nxf7 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. cxb4

But if Black does not find that Bb4+ resource, White has a nice game.

So my question is- what is the better choice - 5. Ng5 or 5. c3?

Thanks,
Sandy



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Old January 20th 04, 10:34 PM
Sandy Breon
 
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Default 4..Bc5 in Scotch Gambit

Paolo,

Thanks for providing that line. I hadn't considered 9..d5! in my home
analysis. And that is not simple to respond to with White.

Sandy


"Paolo" wrote in message
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The best line, with 5.Ng5, for black is:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 (5.-,Ne5?!) 6.Nxf7 Nxf7
7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5 d5! =

And if 10.exd5 Re8+ & Re5 =

5.c3 is more flexible than 5.Ng5.

Bye
0-1


I have a question about this line in the Scotch Gambit:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5

As White, after playing the 5. c3 main line, Black can tranpose into the
Giuoco Piano with 5..Nf6. Not the type of quiet game that I want from

this
opening. I have been looking at 5. Ng5. There are some nice combinations
against on f7.

Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Ne5(or Nh6) 6.Nxf7
Nxf7 7.Bxf7+ Kxf7 8.Qh5+ g6 9.Qxc5

However, I noticed that Black has 6..Bb4+, a very annoying resource

which
appears to equalize for Black.
Example: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bc5 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.Nxf7 Bb4+

7.c3
dxc3 8.bxc3 Nxf7 9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. cxb4

But if Black does not find that Bb4+ resource, White has a nice game.

So my question is- what is the better choice - 5. Ng5 or 5. c3?

Thanks,
Sandy



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