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Old March 7th 04, 08:46 PM
bruno de baenst
 
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Game played in competition between clubs today. With 2u/40moves 1u ko time
controls.
The opening is my own invention from 2years ago or so but it's the first
game I actually played with it.
It's a pretty spectacular game and I feel like I had some wins , but I don't
know where exactly. I hope some strong players can take a look at it. I know
white could just be a pawn up if he plays 9.Nxd4 but I saw it too late and
was lucky he missed it too. I checked it very quickly with fritz but it's
one of those games fritz says +5 and then 10 seconds later goes to 0.4 or
so.
Any analysis would be very much welcomed, I wonder if I could grab the rook
somewhere.

Lagast,Herve (2107) - De Baenst,Bruno(2051)

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 Nd4!? my own invention 4.fxe5 d6 5.Nf3 dxe5 6.Bc4 Bc5
7.d3 Bg4 8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.Bb3 better is Nxd4! on which I was planning Qh4+ g3
Qh3? but that just doesn't work 9. ... Bxf3 10.Rf1 Qh4+ 11.g3 Qxh2 fritz
says Qf6 but putting my queen on line of rook looks very dangerous to me
12.Rxf3+ Nf6 13.Be3 Nxf3+ 14.Qxf3 Bxe3 15.Qxe3 Qh1+ 16.Kd2 Qh2+ 17.Ke1 b6
18.Nd5 here I started thinking for almost an hour but I just didn't find a
win and I only had 14 minutes left so I had to move Qh1+ 19.Ke2 Qg2+ 20.Ke1
Ng4 21.Qg5 Qxg3+ 22.Kd2 Qf2+ 23.Kc3 Qd4+ 24.Kd2 Qf2+ 25.Kc3 Qd4+ 26.Kd2 Qf2+
1/2-1/2


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Old March 8th 04, 07:00 PM
Claus-Jürgen Heigl
 
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bruno de baenst wrote:

Game played in competition between clubs today. With 2u/40moves 1u ko time
controls.
The opening is my own invention from 2years ago or so but it's the first
game I actually played with it.
It's a pretty spectacular game and I feel like I had some wins , but I don't
know where exactly. I hope some strong players can take a look at it. I know
white could just be a pawn up if he plays 9.Nxd4 but I saw it too late and
was lucky he missed it too. I checked it very quickly with fritz but it's
one of those games fritz says +5 and then 10 seconds later goes to 0.4 or
so.
Any analysis would be very much welcomed, I wonder if I could grab the rook
somewhere.

Lagast,Herve (2107) - De Baenst,Bruno(2051)

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 Nd4!? my own invention 4.fxe5 d6 5.Nf3 dxe5


A good alternative is 5...Bg4 (threat Bxf3 and Qh4+) 6. Be2 Bxf3 7.
Bxf3 dxe5. Black maintaines the position of the Nd4.

6.Bc4 Bc5


The question here is if White can take the pawn. 7. Nxe5 Qh4+ 8. g3
Qf6 9. d3! (9. Nxf7? Nxc2+! 10. Qxc2 Bf2+ 11. Kd1 Qf3+ and soon mate)
9...Be6! (9...Qxe5 10. Bf4 Nxc2+ (10...Qe7 11. Nd5 with big advantage)
11. Qxc2 Qh5 12. Nb5 with big advantage for White) 10. Bxe6 Qxe6 11.
Nf3 0-0-0 12. Nxd4
Bxd4 13. Qf3 and I doubt the compensation.

7.d3 Bg4


7...Nf6 8. Nxe5 0-0 9. Rf1 Qe7 10. Bf4 c6 with the plan Bd6 could be
ok for Black.

8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.Bb3 better is Nxd4! on which I was planning Qh4+ g3
Qh3? but that just doesn't work


I agree. 7...Bg4 seemed not the best move.

9. ... Bxf3 10.Rf1


White is lost. 10. gxf3 Qh4+ 11. Kd2 Qf2+ 12. Ne2 Nxf3+ 13. Kc3 Bb4+!
14. Kxb4 a5+ 15. Kc4 b5+ 16. Kxb5 Qb6+ 17. Kc4 Qc6 is mate.

Qh4+ 11.g3 Qxh2 fritz
says Qf6 but putting my queen on line of rook looks very dangerous to me


11...Qg4 12. Be3 Ke8! 13. Qd2 Ne7 defends the material advantage.

12.Rxf3+ Nf6 13.Be3!


Very nice move, but not sufficient.

Nxf3+ 14.Qxf3 Bxe3 15.Qxe3 Qh1+ 16.Kd2 Qh2+


16...Qxa1 17. Qc5+ Ke8 18. Qxe5+ Kd8 19. Nb5 Ne8 (19...Rc8 19. Qd4+ =)
20. Qd4+ Ke7 (20...Nd6 21. Qxg7 +/-) 21. Qe5+ =

17.Ke1 b6!
18.Nd5 here I started thinking for almost an hour but I just didn't find a
win and I only had 14 minutes left so I had to move Qh1+


Winning the Ra1 loses after 18...Qh1+ 19. Ke2 Qxa1 20. Nxf6 Qh1 21.
Qf2 Ke7 22. Nd5+ Kd6 23. Qf7 Rhc8 (a perpetual is no more possible)
24. Ne7.

But Black already has a material advantage and could try to
consolidate.
18...c6 19. Nxf6 gxf6 20. Rd1 Kg7 21. d4 (21. Rd2 Qh1+ the white rook
is hard to activate) 21...Rad8.

19.Ke2 Qg2+ 20.Ke1
Ng4 21.Qg5 Qxg3+ 22.Kd2 Qf2+ 23.Kc3 Qd4+ 24.Kd2 Qf2+ 25.Kc3 Qd4+ 26.Kd2 Qf2+
1/2-1/2


Claus-Juergen
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Old March 8th 04, 08:29 PM
Mike Ogush
 
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:46:56 GMT, "bruno de baenst"
wrote:


Game played in competition between clubs today. With 2u/40moves 1u ko time
controls.
The opening is my own invention from 2years ago or so but it's the first
game I actually played with it.
It's a pretty spectacular game and I feel like I had some wins , but I don't
know where exactly. I hope some strong players can take a look at it. I know
white could just be a pawn up if he plays 9.Nxd4 but I saw it too late and
was lucky he missed it too. I checked it very quickly with fritz but it's
one of those games fritz says +5 and then 10 seconds later goes to 0.4 or
so.
Any analysis would be very much welcomed, I wonder if I could grab the rook
somewhere.

Lagast,Herve (2107) - De Baenst,Bruno(2051)

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 Nd4!? my own invention 4.fxe5 d6 5.Nf3 dxe5 6.Bc4 Bc5
7.d3 Bg4 8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.Bb3 better is Nxd4! on which I was planning Qh4+ g3
Qh3? but that just doesn't work


due to Nf3

9. ... Bxf3 10.Rf1 Qh4+ 11.g3 Qxh2 fritz
says Qf6 but putting my queen on line of rook looks very dangerous to me


A simlar idea of continuing to defend the Bf3 while avoiding putting
the Q and K on the same file is 11...Qh5. After a normal developing
move such as 12.Be3 Black can reply 12...Ke8. The after 13.Qd2 Nf6
Black retains the bishop for pawn material advantage. White is going
to have a similar if not worse difficulty getting his king out of the
center.

In this position Fritz prefers 14.Nb5 but after 14...Bb6 15.Ba4 Kd8
16.c3 Nxb5 17.Bxb6 axb6 18.Bxb5 Rf8 Black is consolidating his
material advantage

12.Rxf3+ Nf6 13.Be3 Nxf3+ 14.Qxf3 Bxe3 15.Qxe3 Qh1+ 16.Kd2 Qh2+ 17.Ke1 b6
18.Nd5 here I started thinking for almost an hour but I just didn't find a
win and I only had 14 minutes left so I had to move Qh1+ 19.Ke2 Qg2+ 20.Ke1
Ng4 21.Qg5 Qxg3+ 22.Kd2 Qf2+ 23.Kc3 Qd4+ 24.Kd2 Qf2+ 25.Kc3 Qd4+ 26.Kd2 Qf2+
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Old March 8th 04, 09:07 PM
bruno de baenst
 
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Thank you both very much for taking the time to look at my game. Probably my
big mistake (beside Bg4) was Qxa2, as you and Mike say, mainly cause I
missed Ke1 idea where black gets advantage. It's likely I had a win later in
game too, but it was to complicated for a patzer as me to find it. I wrote
my commentary of the game below.
Thx again very much.

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 Nd4 4.fxe5 d6 5.Nf3 dxe5 ( A good alternative is
5...Bg4 (threat Bxf3 and Qh4+) 6. Be2 Bxf3 7. Bxf3 dxe5. Black maintaines
the position of the Nd4.) Right, you can play both, but I liked to have e5
as bait and I don't think he can remove knight on d4 anyway cause taking is
bad. 6.Bc4 Bc5 7.d3 (The question here is if White can take the pawn. 7.
Nxe5 Qh4+ 8. g3 Qf6 9. d3! (9. Nxf7? Nxc2+! 10. Qxc2 Bf2+ 11. Kd1 Qf3+ and
soon mate) 9...Be6! (9...Qxe5 10. Bf4 Nxc2+ (10...Qe7 11. Nd5 with big
advantage) 11. Qxc2 Qh5 12. Nb5 with big advantage for White) 10. Bxe6 Qxe6
11. Nf3 0-0-0 12. Nxd4 Bxd4 13. Qf3 and I doubt the compensation.) I don't
think white can. Maybe you're right in the Qh4+ and Qf6 like you said, I was
planning that too during the game. But Qg5 as fritz says instead of Qh4+
just seems to be very good for black 7...Bg4 (7...Nf6 8. Nxe5 0-0 9. Rf1 Qe7
10. Bf4 c6 with the plan Bd6 could be ok for Black. ) Yes I probably should
have played Nf6 though I'm not so sure black has compensation in all lines.
8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.Bb3 Bxf3 10.Rf1 Qh4+ 11.g3 Qxh2 (11...Qg4 12. Be3 Ke8! 13. Qd2
Ne7 defends the material advantage.) Right black is probably beter here,
although there are some problems getting the bishop away safely. In the game
I thought black would lose the bishop if I played Qg4. 12.Rxf3+ Nf6 I still
find this a cool move 13.Be3! (Very nice move, but not sufficient) Yes, very
nice move, it was this move I missed when I took an h2. But I'm still not
sure if it's sufficient or not. Definately to find a refutation over the
board, I didn't really find a 100% sure win yet for black with help of
computer. And definately over the board it I don't think somebody of my
level is possible to calculate all continuations. 13...Nxf3+ 14.Qxf3 Bxe3
15.Qxe3 Qh1+ to prevent castling 16.Kd2 Qh2+ ( 16...Qxa1 17. Qc5+ Ke8 18.
Qxe5+ Kd8 19. Nb5 Ne8 (19...Rc8 19. Qd4+ =) 20. Qd4+ Ke7 (20...Nd6 21. Qxg7
+/-) 21. Qe5+ = ) Yes, more than one way to draw this for white. But I have
a feeling white can even win somewhere, blacks pieces are so out of play,
gonna look further into it. 17.Ke1 b6! 18.Nd5 (Winning the Ra1 loses after
19. Ke2 Qxa1 20. Nxf6 Qh1 21. Qf2 Ke7 22. Nd5+ Kd6 23. Qf7 Rhc8 (a perpetual
is no more possible) (But Black already has a material advantage and could
try to consolidate. 18...c6 19. Nxf6 gxf6 20. Rd1 Kg7 21. d4 (21. Rd2 Qh1+
the white rook is hard to activate) 21...Rad8. ) 24. Ne7.) 22. ... Kd6 seems
to be a mistake, as black. Cause if Kd8 Qf7 the black queen can get to c5
after a couple of checks protecting both e7 (which is not the case with king
on d6) and c7. Although I'm not claiming white hasn't got a win here
somewhere. All very complicated stuff (But Black already has a material
advantage and could try to consolidate. 18...c6 19. Nxf6 gxf6 20. Rd1 Kg7
21. d4 (21. Rd2 Qh1+ the white rook is hard to activate) 21...Rad8. ) This
was what I thought very long about in the game, but I was thinking it lost
after Nc7 Rc8 Nd3+ Ke7 Nxg2 Qh1+ Kd2 Qxa1 Nf5+ Kd7 Qg5. But after Nc7 I
should probably go after Ra1 immediately instead of Rc8. Still very
complicated though. Maybe after taking on a1 white can play Qg5 Re8 Qf5 wich
still looks very dangerous. 18...Qh1+ 19.Ke2 Qg2+ 20.Kd1 Ng4 21.Qg5 Qf3+
22.Kd2 Qf2+ 23.Kc3 Qd4+ 24.Kd2 Qf2+ 25.Kc3 Qd4+ 26.Kd2 I was actually
planning just to repeat position twice to get to move 40 and then play Nf6
here with idea Nxf6 Qf2+ but Rf1 wins for white 26...Qf2+ 1/2-1/2


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Old March 8th 04, 11:10 PM
Claus-Jürgen Heigl
 
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bruno de baenst wrote:

Thank you both very much for taking the time to look at my game. Probably my
big mistake (beside Bg4) was Qxa2, as you and Mike say, mainly cause I
missed Ke1 idea where black gets advantage. It's likely I had a win later in
game too, but it was to complicated for a patzer as me to find it. I wrote
my commentary of the game below.
Thx again very much.

I thought black would lose the bishop if I played Qg4. 12.Rxf3+ Nf6 I still
find this a cool move 13.Be3! (Very nice move, but not sufficient) Yes, very
nice move, it was this move I missed when I took an h2. But I'm still not
sure if it's sufficient or not. Definately to find a refutation over the
board, I didn't really find a 100% sure win yet for black with help of
computer. And definately over the board it I don't think somebody of my
level is possible to calculate all continuations.


Lack of time had me not searching for alternatives very much here. I
think 13. Nd5 is better than Be3. White has a strong attack and Black
is perhaps best off if he seeks a perpetual. If for example 13...Nxf3+
14. Qxf3 Qh5 then 15. Qxh5 Nxh5 16. Nxc7 Rc8 17. Ne6+ Ke7 18. g4 Nf6
19. Nxg7. The bishops pair gives White chances in this position.
13...Be7 14. Be3 Nxf3+ 15. Qxf3 c6 16. 0-0-0 looks good for White.

17.Ke1 b6! 18.Nd5 (Winning the Ra1 loses after
19. Ke2 Qxa1 20. Nxf6 Qh1 21. Qf2 Ke7 22. Nd5+ Kd6 23. Qf7 Rhc8 (a perpetual
is no more possible) 22. ... Kd6 seems
to be a mistake, as black. Cause if Kd8 Qf7 the black queen can get to c5
after a couple of checks protecting both e7 (which is not the case with king
on d6) and c7. Although I'm not claiming white hasn't got a win here
somewhere. All very complicated stuff.


Yes, you're right. White has a guaranteed draw here but maybe not
more.

Claus-Juergen


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Old March 9th 04, 08:38 PM
Dirk
 
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hier wordt niet veel nagedacht hé.
zeg Bruno,kun je die partij even doorzenden in CB-formaat?
groetjes dirk
"bruno de baenst" schreef in bericht
...

Game played in competition between clubs today. With 2u/40moves 1u ko time
controls.
The opening is my own invention from 2years ago or so but it's the first
game I actually played with it.
It's a pretty spectacular game and I feel like I had some wins , but I

don't
know where exactly. I hope some strong players can take a look at it. I

know
white could just be a pawn up if he plays 9.Nxd4 but I saw it too late and
was lucky he missed it too. I checked it very quickly with fritz but it's
one of those games fritz says +5 and then 10 seconds later goes to 0.4 or
so.
Any analysis would be very much welcomed, I wonder if I could grab the

rook
somewhere.

Lagast,Herve (2107) - De Baenst,Bruno(2051)

1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 Nd4!? my own invention 4.fxe5 d6 5.Nf3 dxe5 6.Bc4

Bc5
7.d3 Bg4 8.Bxf7+ Kf8 9.Bb3 better is Nxd4! on which I was planning Qh4+ g3
Qh3? but that just doesn't work 9. ... Bxf3 10.Rf1 Qh4+ 11.g3 Qxh2 fritz
says Qf6 but putting my queen on line of rook looks very dangerous to me
12.Rxf3+ Nf6 13.Be3 Nxf3+ 14.Qxf3 Bxe3 15.Qxe3 Qh1+ 16.Kd2 Qh2+ 17.Ke1 b6
18.Nd5 here I started thinking for almost an hour but I just didn't find a
win and I only had 14 minutes left so I had to move Qh1+ 19.Ke2 Qg2+

20.Ke1
Ng4 21.Qg5 Qxg3+ 22.Kd2 Qf2+ 23.Kc3 Qd4+ 24.Kd2 Qf2+ 25.Kc3 Qd4+ 26.Kd2

Qf2+
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