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Old December 11th 03, 11:26 AM
Chuck in Minot
 
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Default Looking for Rebel 12 for DOS reviews & tests?

I am really impressed with this free program, and all its features. I would
really love to know how it stacks up to the other programs such as Fritz,
Deep Blue, Tiger, and so forth.

Has anybody tested it out against other serious programs, and could you
please post your findings.

Thank you so much.

Chuck
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Old December 11th 03, 12:23 PM
Simon
 
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"Chuck in Minot" wrote in message
...

Has anybody tested it out against other serious programs, and could you
please post your findings.


Hiya Chuck.

Played a game between my Novag Jade (supposedly rated @ 2100 when it came
out, but I would say lower by about 200 points at least!) against Rebel 12
for DOS. All done by hand @ the following time limits.

Novag Jade (Level AT5 30 secs average per move) - Rebel 12 for DOS 2 Secs
per move.

Here is the result....



Novag Jade against Rebel 12 Sco0-1
Date:08-11-2003
LEVEL :AT5 (30 Secs) LEVEL :2 Secs



1. c2-c4 c7-c6
2. e2-e4 d7-d5
3. c4xd5 c6xd5
4. d2-d4 d5xe4
00:00:01 7.00 0.55 dxe4 Bb5+ Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Nd2 Ngf6 Ne2 (c)
5. Bf1-c4 Nb8-c6
00:00:00 6.00 0.55 Nc6 Ne2 e6 Nbc3 Nf6 Bg5 (c)
6. Ng1-e2 Ng8-f6
00:00:00 11.08 0.50 Nf6 Nbc3 a6 Bg5 Na5 b3 Bf5 Ng3 Bg4 Be2 (c)
7. O-O a7-a6
00:00:01 6.13 0.68 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 Bd6 (c)
8. Bc1-f4 e7-e6
00:00:01 7.03 0.73 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nbc3 (c)
9. Nb1-c3 b7-b5
00:00:00 6.01 0.72 b5 Bb3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Rc1 (c)
10. Bc4-b3 Ra8-a7
00:00:00 11.00 0.50 Ra7 Bg5 Rd7 Nxe4 (c)
11. Bb3-c2 Ra7-d7
00:00:02 8.00 0.75 Rd7 Nxe4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 Qf3 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bb4 (c)
12. Bf4-e3 e6-e5
00:00:01 7.01 0.85 e5 Nxe4 exd4 Bg5 Be7 (c)
13. Nc3xe4 e5xd4
00:00:00 11.21 1.12 exd4 Bg5 d3 Bb1 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf4 d2 (c)
14. Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6
00:00:00 5.00 1.21 Qxf6 Bf4 Nb4 Bd2 Bd6 (c)
15. Be3-f4 Nc6-b4
00:00:00 11.00 1.21 Nb4 Bd2 d3 Bxb4 Bxb4 Bxd3 Qxb2 Rb1 (c)
16. Bc2-d3 Bc8-b7
00:00:03 8.04 1.48 Bb7 f3 Be7 Rc1 Nxd3 (c)
17. Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7
00:00:02 8.00 1.54 Be7 f3 Nxd3 Qxd3 (c)
18. Qd1-b1 Nb4xd3
00:00:02 8.00 1.69 Nxd3 Qxd3 O-O Red1 (c)
19. Qb1xd3 O-O
00:00:00 11.00 1.75 O-O Bd2 (c)
20. Qd3-h3 Rf8-d8
00:00:01 8.00 1.57 Rfd8 Bd2 d3 Nc3 Bc5 Nd1 h6 Rc1 (c)
21. Re1-d1 d4-d3
00:00:01 8.00 2.89 d3 Be3 Qxb2 Ng3 d2 f3 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1 Rxd1 (c)
22. Bf4-e3 Qf6xb2
00:00:00 12.03 3.16 Qxb2 Ng3 d2 Nf1 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1=Q (c)
23. Ne2-g3 d3-d2
00:00:00 11.07 3.14 d2 Bb6 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1=Q+ Rxd1 Rxd1+ (c)
24. Be3-b6 Qb2xa1
00:00:00 13.00 3.16 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1=Q+ Rxd1 Rxd1+ Nf1 R8d3 (c)
25. Rd1xa1 d2-d1Q+
00:00:00 14.00 3.13 d1=Q+ Rxd1 Rxd1+ Nf1 R8d3 Qg4 Bf8 (c)
26. Ra1xd1 Rd7xd1+
00:00:00 13.00 3.47 Rxd1+ Nf1 R8d6 Bc5 R6d3 (c)
27. Ng3-f1 Rd8-d6
00:00:00 11.00 3.40 R8d6 Bc5 R6d3 Qxd3 Rxd3 Bxe7 Bd5 (c)
28. Bb6-c7 Rd6-e6
00:00:03 9.00 4.70 Re6 Ba5 b4 Qg4 Ree1 Qc4 Bd6 (c)
29. Bc7-a5 b5-b4
00:00:00 13.10 5.99 b4 Qg3 Ree1 (c)
30. Ba5-c7 Bb7-c6
00:00:02 9.00 6.18 Bc6 g3 Bb5 Bf4 Bc5 Qg2 Rxf1 Qxf1 (c)
31. a2-a4 b4xa3ep
00:00:02 9.00 9.00 bxa3 Qb3 Ree1 h4 (c)
32. Qh3-b3 Rd1xf1+
00:00:00 14.00 19.34 Rxf1+ Kxf1 Bb5 Qxb5 axb5 g3 a2 Kg2 a1 h3 Qa8
(c)
33. Kg1xf1 Bc6-b5+
00:00:03 11.00 17.50 Bb5+ Qxb5 axb5 f4 a2 Be5 Rxe5 fxe5 a1 Ke2 Qxe5
Kf1
(c)
34. Qb3xb5 a6xb5
00:00:00 14.00 18.25 axb5 f4 a2 Be5 Bf6 (c)
35. f2-f4 a3-a2
00:00:02 10.00 21.82 a2 Be5 Rxe5 fxe5 b4 Ke2 b3 Ke3 (c)
36. Bc7-e5 Re6xe5
00:00:04 11.00 23.29 Rxe5 fxe5 b4 Kf2 b3 Ke3 a1=Q (c)
37. f4xe5 b5-b4
00:00:00 13.00 24.82 b4 Ke2 b3 Kd3 b2 g3 a1=Q (c)
38. Kf1-e2 b4-b3
00:00:04 10.00 26.53 b3 e6 b2 g4 b1=Q Ke3 fxe6 (c)
39. Ke2-d3 b3-b2
00:00:02 8.00 26.58 b2 e6 b1=Q+ Ke3 bxb3+ Ke4 fxe6 (c)
40. Kd3-e4 a2-a1Q
00:00:00 7.00 Mate in 7 moves a1=Q Kd5 b1=Q e6 bxf5+ Kc6 axa6+ (c)
41. Ke4-f4 b2-b1Q
00:00:00 2.01 Mate in 8 moves b1=Q Kg3 bxd3+ Kf2 Bh4+ g3 dxf1+ (c)
42. h2-h3 Qb1-f1+
00:00:00 1.21 Mate in 4 moves Qf1+ Ke4 Qe2+ Kd5 Qaxe5+ Kc6 Q2b5+
(c)
43. Kf4-e4 Qa1-e1+
00:00:00 1.04 Mate in 3 moves Qae1+ Kd4 Qd2+ Ke4 Qfd3+ (c)
44. Ke4-d4 Qf1-f4+
00:00:00 1.07 Mate in 2 moves Qf4+ Kd5 Qfe4+ (c)
45. Kd4-d5 Qe1-e4+
00:00:00 1.02 Checkmate! Rebel 12 wins! Qee4+ (c)


The game seems to follow the same pattern, Rebel builds up an advantage,
Novag makes an error, and the score goes up! Pretty impressive I think, I'm
fiddling around with the serial cable, seeing if I can hook up a match
against another PC program.

All the best

Simon


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Old December 11th 03, 01:39 PM
Chuck in Minot
 
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Yep, been seeing a lot of "Checkmate! Rebel 12 wins!" as of late. Yes
Rebel is one very tough program, and should get a little more press than it
does. Yep you did the same thing that I did, and I as well always set
Rebel's time to just 2 seconds, but enable its "Permanent brain" so that it
thinks while your Novag is thinking or in my case my Fidelity. But it makes
no difference, 99.99% of the time it has already and correctly guessed my
Fidelity's next move, and pounces.

Most games start out pretty even, and then about mid-game it usually gets up
a pawn and controls the center board, and then its all down hill from there.

Tell me, I see when I save my games that it indicates Mate in 6... Mate in
5... and so forth, I would like to get it to indicate that while playing,
and I've enabled several windows, and have yet to see it do that outside of
in the text of a
saved game. Let me know if you found a way of doing that, I'm sure its a
simple thing to do.




"Simon" wrote in message
u...
"Chuck in Minot" wrote in message
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Has anybody tested it out against other serious programs, and could you
please post your findings.


Hiya Chuck.

Played a game between my Novag Jade (supposedly rated @ 2100 when it came
out, but I would say lower by about 200 points at least!) against Rebel 12
for DOS. All done by hand @ the following time limits.

Novag Jade (Level AT5 30 secs average per move) - Rebel 12 for DOS 2 Secs
per move.

Here is the result....



Novag Jade against Rebel 12 Sco0-1
Date:08-11-2003
LEVEL :AT5 (30 Secs) LEVEL :2 Secs



1. c2-c4 c7-c6
2. e2-e4 d7-d5
3. c4xd5 c6xd5
4. d2-d4 d5xe4
00:00:01 7.00 0.55 dxe4 Bb5+ Bd7 Bxd7 Nxd7 Nd2 Ngf6 Ne2 (c)
5. Bf1-c4 Nb8-c6
00:00:00 6.00 0.55 Nc6 Ne2 e6 Nbc3 Nf6 Bg5 (c)
6. Ng1-e2 Ng8-f6
00:00:00 11.08 0.50 Nf6 Nbc3 a6 Bg5 Na5 b3 Bf5 Ng3 Bg4 Be2 (c)
7. O-O a7-a6
00:00:01 6.13 0.68 a6 a4 e6 Bg5 Bd6 (c)
8. Bc1-f4 e7-e6
00:00:01 7.03 0.73 e6 Bg5 Be7 Nbc3 (c)
9. Nb1-c3 b7-b5
00:00:00 6.01 0.72 b5 Bb3 Bd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Rc1 (c)
10. Bc4-b3 Ra8-a7
00:00:00 11.00 0.50 Ra7 Bg5 Rd7 Nxe4 (c)
11. Bb3-c2 Ra7-d7
00:00:02 8.00 0.75 Rd7 Nxe4 Nxd4 Nxd4 Rxd4 Qf3 Nxe4 Bxe4 Bb4 (c)
12. Bf4-e3 e6-e5
00:00:01 7.01 0.85 e5 Nxe4 exd4 Bg5 Be7 (c)
13. Nc3xe4 e5xd4
00:00:00 11.21 1.12 exd4 Bg5 d3 Bb1 Be7 Bxf6 gxf6 Nf4 d2 (c)
14. Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6
00:00:00 5.00 1.21 Qxf6 Bf4 Nb4 Bd2 Bd6 (c)
15. Be3-f4 Nc6-b4
00:00:00 11.00 1.21 Nb4 Bd2 d3 Bxb4 Bxb4 Bxd3 Qxb2 Rb1 (c)
16. Bc2-d3 Bc8-b7
00:00:03 8.04 1.48 Bb7 f3 Be7 Rc1 Nxd3 (c)
17. Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7
00:00:02 8.00 1.54 Be7 f3 Nxd3 Qxd3 (c)
18. Qd1-b1 Nb4xd3
00:00:02 8.00 1.69 Nxd3 Qxd3 O-O Red1 (c)
19. Qb1xd3 O-O
00:00:00 11.00 1.75 O-O Bd2 (c)
20. Qd3-h3 Rf8-d8
00:00:01 8.00 1.57 Rfd8 Bd2 d3 Nc3 Bc5 Nd1 h6 Rc1 (c)
21. Re1-d1 d4-d3
00:00:01 8.00 2.89 d3 Be3 Qxb2 Ng3 d2 f3 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1 Rxd1 (c)
22. Bf4-e3 Qf6xb2
00:00:00 12.03 3.16 Qxb2 Ng3 d2 Nf1 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1=Q (c)
23. Ne2-g3 d3-d2
00:00:00 11.07 3.14 d2 Bb6 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1=Q+ Rxd1 Rxd1+ (c)
24. Be3-b6 Qb2xa1
00:00:00 13.00 3.16 Qxa1 Rxa1 d1=Q+ Rxd1 Rxd1+ Nf1 R8d3 (c)
25. Rd1xa1 d2-d1Q+
00:00:00 14.00 3.13 d1=Q+ Rxd1 Rxd1+ Nf1 R8d3 Qg4 Bf8 (c)
26. Ra1xd1 Rd7xd1+
00:00:00 13.00 3.47 Rxd1+ Nf1 R8d6 Bc5 R6d3 (c)
27. Ng3-f1 Rd8-d6
00:00:00 11.00 3.40 R8d6 Bc5 R6d3 Qxd3 Rxd3 Bxe7 Bd5 (c)
28. Bb6-c7 Rd6-e6
00:00:03 9.00 4.70 Re6 Ba5 b4 Qg4 Ree1 Qc4 Bd6 (c)
29. Bc7-a5 b5-b4
00:00:00 13.10 5.99 b4 Qg3 Ree1 (c)
30. Ba5-c7 Bb7-c6
00:00:02 9.00 6.18 Bc6 g3 Bb5 Bf4 Bc5 Qg2 Rxf1 Qxf1 (c)
31. a2-a4 b4xa3ep
00:00:02 9.00 9.00 bxa3 Qb3 Ree1 h4 (c)
32. Qh3-b3 Rd1xf1+
00:00:00 14.00 19.34 Rxf1+ Kxf1 Bb5 Qxb5 axb5 g3 a2 Kg2 a1 h3 Qa8
(c)
33. Kg1xf1 Bc6-b5+
00:00:03 11.00 17.50 Bb5+ Qxb5 axb5 f4 a2 Be5 Rxe5 fxe5 a1 Ke2 Qxe5
Kf1
(c)
34. Qb3xb5 a6xb5
00:00:00 14.00 18.25 axb5 f4 a2 Be5 Bf6 (c)
35. f2-f4 a3-a2
00:00:02 10.00 21.82 a2 Be5 Rxe5 fxe5 b4 Ke2 b3 Ke3 (c)
36. Bc7-e5 Re6xe5
00:00:04 11.00 23.29 Rxe5 fxe5 b4 Kf2 b3 Ke3 a1=Q (c)
37. f4xe5 b5-b4
00:00:00 13.00 24.82 b4 Ke2 b3 Kd3 b2 g3 a1=Q (c)
38. Kf1-e2 b4-b3
00:00:04 10.00 26.53 b3 e6 b2 g4 b1=Q Ke3 fxe6 (c)
39. Ke2-d3 b3-b2
00:00:02 8.00 26.58 b2 e6 b1=Q+ Ke3 bxb3+ Ke4 fxe6 (c)
40. Kd3-e4 a2-a1Q
00:00:00 7.00 Mate in 7 moves a1=Q Kd5 b1=Q e6 bxf5+ Kc6 axa6+ (c)
41. Ke4-f4 b2-b1Q
00:00:00 2.01 Mate in 8 moves b1=Q Kg3 bxd3+ Kf2 Bh4+ g3 dxf1+ (c)
42. h2-h3 Qb1-f1+
00:00:00 1.21 Mate in 4 moves Qf1+ Ke4 Qe2+ Kd5 Qaxe5+ Kc6 Q2b5+
(c)
43. Kf4-e4 Qa1-e1+
00:00:00 1.04 Mate in 3 moves Qae1+ Kd4 Qd2+ Ke4 Qfd3+ (c)
44. Ke4-d4 Qf1-f4+
00:00:00 1.07 Mate in 2 moves Qf4+ Kd5 Qfe4+ (c)
45. Kd4-d5 Qe1-e4+
00:00:00 1.02 Checkmate! Rebel 12 wins! Qee4+ (c)


The game seems to follow the same pattern, Rebel builds up an advantage,
Novag makes an error, and the score goes up! Pretty impressive I think, I'm
fiddling around with the serial cable, seeing if I can hook up a match
against another PC program.

All the best

Simon



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Old December 11th 03, 03:15 PM
George
 
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"Chuck in Minot" wrote in message ...
I am really impressed with this free program, and all its features. I would
really love to know how it stacks up to the other programs such as Fritz,
Deep Blue, Tiger, and so forth.

Has anybody tested it out against other serious programs, and could you
please post your findings.


Here is some games with "Rebel 12 DOS":
http://www.utzingerkurt.com/productssimple2.html

And games with "Rebel 12.00.01 Windows edition", but the engine is the
same like that with DOS***, so it's like playing with "Rebel 12 DOS":
http://www.utzingerkurt.com/productssimple0.html


***actually you need to put the newest (strongest?) parameters for
Rebel 12 Windows/DOS for having Rebel 12.00.01 inside DOS:

Create a personality with these parameters and choose it inside DOS:

[Personality = REBEL12.ENG] * Rebel 12 (November 2003)
[Pawn Value = 100]
[Knight Value = 100]
[Bishop Value = 100]
[Rook Value = 100]
[Queen Value = 100]
[King Safety = 150]
[Mobility = 100]
[Pawn Structure = 100]
[Passed Pawns = 100]
[Pins = 100]
[Bishop Pair = 100]
[Chess Knowledge = 100]
[Attractiveness = 101]
[Attacking = 100]
[Strength of Play = 100]
[Draw Contempt Factor = 0.00]
[Selective Search = 100]
[Search Technique = NULLMOVE]
[Engine Learner = off] * off|on
[Book Learner = aggressive] * off|passive|moderate|strong|aggressive
[Position Learner = on] * off|on
[Extended Book Learner = off] * off|read|write|read&write
[Pruning = MISC_25] *
[Pruning = MISC_37] *
[Pruning = MISC_40] *
[Center Control = 25] * 25
[Bishop Mobility = 25] * 25
[Right to Move = 75] * 75
[Strong Squares = 125] * 125
[ANTI-GM = OFF]
[EVALUATION = SMART] * NORMAL|SMART
[Extensions (remaining)= 3]
[Extensions (checks)= 0]
[Extensions (captures)= 0]
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Old December 11th 03, 03:52 PM
Chuck in Minot
 
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Thanks...

Newest strongest settings for Rebel???
Ughhh, it already beats me and my computer
so bad it isn't even funny.

That would be like having Mike Tyson as a
sparing partner, and then handing him a pair
of brass knuckles.

I really like Rebel, its just like having a friendly
a GM you can play anytime. Now if they could
only put it inside a well built chess computer.


You know that would be really nice, and I see no
reason why it couldn't be done. A chess computer
with like a USB connection that was loaded with
all the top engines, and flash ROM so you could
update its engines and load up just about anything
you would want, but I guess there would have to
be some sort of deal struck with all the software
vendors that would allow such a dream machine
to built, but could you just imagine.??

Here is some games with "Rebel 12 DOS":
http://www.utzingerkurt.com/productssimple2.html

And games with "Rebel 12.00.01 Windows edition", but the engine is the
same like that with DOS***, so it's like playing with "Rebel 12 DOS":
http://www.utzingerkurt.com/productssimple0.html


***actually you need to put the newest (strongest?) parameters for
Rebel 12 Windows/DOS for having Rebel 12.00.01 inside DOS:

Create a personality with these parameters and choose it inside DOS:

[Personality = REBEL12.ENG] * Rebel 12 (November 2003)
[Pawn Value = 100]
[Knight Value = 100]
[Bishop Value = 100]
[Rook Value = 100]
[Queen Value = 100]
[King Safety = 150]
[Mobility = 100]
[Pawn Structure = 100]
[Passed Pawns = 100]
[Pins = 100]
[Bishop Pair = 100]
[Chess Knowledge = 100]
[Attractiveness = 101]
[Attacking = 100]
[Strength of Play = 100]
[Draw Contempt Factor = 0.00]
[Selective Search = 100]
[Search Technique = NULLMOVE]
[Engine Learner = off] * off|on
[Book Learner = aggressive] * off|passive|moderate|strong|aggressive
[Position Learner = on] * off|on
[Extended Book Learner = off] * off|read|write|read&write
[Pruning = MISC_25] *
[Pruning = MISC_37] *
[Pruning = MISC_40] *
[Center Control = 25] * 25
[Bishop Mobility = 25] * 25
[Right to Move = 75] * 75
[Strong Squares = 125] * 125
[ANTI-GM = OFF]
[EVALUATION = SMART] * NORMAL|SMART
[Extensions (remaining)= 3]
[Extensions (checks)= 0]
[Extensions (captures)= 0]




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Chuck in Minot
 
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WOW!!! STUNNING!!!

For a free game, that is just jaw dropping amazing!!
I think if Rebel 12 for DOS was running on a beefed up
machine, Kaspy would have been wishing he never got
out of bed if he had played against it.

I'm not sure, but I think Rebel 12 DOS is without a doubt
the most powerful free Chess Program on the planet.
And my God it holds its own against all the best.

Once again, hats off to all the Rebel folks. Rebel 12 DOS
is the only reason I have been holding off from updating to
windows XP.

I will have to see how Rebel 12 DOS plays against its Windows
release.

WOW!!! is all I got to say.

"George" wrote in message
om...
"Chuck in Minot" wrote in message
...
I am really impressed with this free program, and all its features. I

would
really love to know how it stacks up to the other programs such as Fritz,
Deep Blue, Tiger, and so forth.

Has anybody tested it out against other serious programs, and could you
please post your findings.


Here is some games with "Rebel 12 DOS":
http://www.utzingerkurt.com/productssimple2.html

And games with "Rebel 12.00.01 Windows edition", but the engine is the
same like that with DOS***, so it's like playing with "Rebel 12 DOS":
http://www.utzingerkurt.com/productssimple0.html


***actually you need to put the newest (strongest?) parameters for
Rebel 12 Windows/DOS for having Rebel 12.00.01 inside DOS:

Create a personality with these parameters and choose it inside DOS:

[Personality = REBEL12.ENG] * Rebel 12 (November 2003)
[Pawn Value = 100]
[Knight Value = 100]
[Bishop Value = 100]
[Rook Value = 100]
[Queen Value = 100]
[King Safety = 150]
[Mobility = 100]
[Pawn Structure = 100]
[Passed Pawns = 100]
[Pins = 100]
[Bishop Pair = 100]
[Chess Knowledge = 100]
[Attractiveness = 101]
[Attacking = 100]
[Strength of Play = 100]
[Draw Contempt Factor = 0.00]
[Selective Search = 100]
[Search Technique = NULLMOVE]
[Engine Learner = off] * off|on
[Book Learner = aggressive] * off|passive|moderate|strong|aggressive
[Position Learner = on] * off|on
[Extended Book Learner = off] * off|read|write|read&write
[Pruning = MISC_25] *
[Pruning = MISC_37] *
[Pruning = MISC_40] *
[Center Control = 25] * 25
[Bishop Mobility = 25] * 25
[Right to Move = 75] * 75
[Strong Squares = 125] * 125
[ANTI-GM = OFF]
[EVALUATION = SMART] * NORMAL|SMART
[Extensions (remaining)= 3]
[Extensions (checks)= 0]
[Extensions (captures)= 0]


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Old December 11th 03, 04:22 PM
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Chuck in Minot wrote:
I'm not sure, but I think Rebel 12 DOS is without a doubt
the most powerful free Chess Program on the planet.


Rebel 12 is $49 (+17.5% VAT for those of us in the EU) from the
www.lokasoft.com .


Dave.

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Old December 12th 03, 06:25 PM
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"Chuck in Minot" wrote in message
...

I am really impressed with this free program, and all its features. I

would
really love to know how it stacks up to the other programs such as Fritz,
Deep Blue, Tiger, and so forth.

Has anybody tested it out against other serious programs, and could you
please post your findings.

Thank you so much.



Rebel consisently gets hammered by other engines. Not that it's worse, but
it's not especially attuned to playing aganst engines. Ostensibly, Rebel's
strength is paying against high rated persons, which I can say, it does
extremely well. With a certain subtley and predictability. I frequently
credit Rebel's Anti-GM feature (a more risky, move order tweak, sending
moves with a larger ratio of potential gains, but with a few hidden killer
replies) with producing the most novel and mastery play. If you miss the
refutation, you get hammered.

Fritz, Shredder, Deep versions of programs, would likely (And do) defeat
Rebel handily. However, I suspect Ruffian would give it a very hard time as
well. I have actually played a few engine matches and Ruffian gets wins,
Rebel does not.

There is a world of difference in an engines behavior against another engine
instead of a person, let alone a rated person. Occasionally, you see this
strange dance of equilibrium, where each engine gets to it's nexus of
postional understanding, based on it's horizon, and then nothing happens,
each engine's moves held in the gravitational field of the other engine,
none of them ever leaving it's comfort zone to find a winning line.

As an aside, I've noticed that you have taken to this topic
enthusiastically, and I might gently suggest to you that you have reached a
level of interest where you might actually go out and *buy* these programs
that you admire, at the very least, you will be able to modernize your
cotere, and at best, show the authors, who frequent here, that you value
their work with your money. Just a thought.





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