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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
Theoretically speaking, if my personal goal was to achieve a draw in
EVERY game that I played (as stupid or illadvised as that may sound to most people), then what is the highest chess rating that I could possibly achieve and is it theoretically possible to be a Grandmaster having never won OR lost a game? 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
pialogue wrote:
Theoretically speaking, if my personal goal was to achieve a draw in EVERY game that I played (as stupid or illadvised as that may sound to most people), then what is the highest chess rating that I could possibly achieve Theoretically speaking there is no upper limit. E.g. assume you are starting with a rating of, say, 2697. Then one draws a huge number of games against a higher rated opponent (e.g. in an endless match versus Andand=2799=difference of 102 = score probability of .36) in the same rating period. Then if you have n draws (and no other results) the rating change is n * 0.14 * 0.5, so to achieve an ELO of X one needs to make n=100/7*(X2697) draws. E.g. n=4329 draws to reach X=3000 Elo. Not sure how anyone would manage that many games on a full length time control in one rating period, but in theory it is possible. and is it theoretically possible to be a Grandmaster having never won OR lost a game? Yes. As a unrated player get yourself invited to three 9round closed GM tournaments with the opponents rated 2700 on average in each tournament, then draw all games. That should do the job. 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
Bjoern wrote:
pialogue wrote: Theoretically speaking, if my personal goal was to achieve a draw in EVERY game that I played (as stupid or illadvised as that may sound to most people), then what is the highest chess rating that I could possibly achieve Theoretically speaking there is no upper limit. E.g. assume you are starting with a rating of, say, 2697. Then one draws a huge number of games against a higher rated opponent (e.g. in an endless match versus Andand=2799=difference of 102 = score probability of .36) in the same rating period. Then if you have n draws (and no other results) the rating change is n * 0.14 * 0.5, so to achieve an ELO of X one needs to make n=100/7*(X2697) draws. E.g. n=4329 draws to reach X=3000 Elo. Not sure how anyone would manage that many games on a full length time control in one rating period, but in theory it is possible. and is it theoretically possible to be a Grandmaster having never won OR lost a game? Yes. As a unrated player get yourself invited to three 9round closed GM tournaments with the opponents rated 2700 on average in each tournament, then draw all games. That should do the job. It has been said that in certain areas of Russia, that with wealthy and influential friends, even a chauffeur or a dog can become a highly rated FIDE player.  Cordially, Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C. 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
29.01.2008 00:37, J.D. Walker:
It has been said that in certain areas of Russia, that with wealthy and influential friends, even a chauffeur or a dog can become a highly rated FIDE player. It has also been said, that in certain areas of Russia chauffeurs and dogs *are* as strong as highly rated FIDE players. Greetings, Ralf 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
On Jan 28, 6:31*pm, Bjoern wrote:
pialogue wrote: Theoretically speaking, if my personal goal was to achieve a draw in EVERY game that I played (as stupid or illadvised as that may sound to most people), then what is the highest chess rating that I could possibly achieve Theoretically speaking there is no upper limit. E.g. assume you are starting with a rating of, say, 2697. Then one draws a huge number of games against a higher rated opponent (e.g. in an endless match versus Andand=2799=difference of 102 = score probability of .36) in the same rating period. Then if you have n draws (and no other results) the rating change is n * 0.14 * 0.5, Maybe the formula has changed in recent years, but I thought the rating change per game in the event of a draw would be something like K * P * 0.5, where K is the rating point value of a single game and P is the probability of the higherrated player winning. K is usually 10 in a GMlevel FIDE game, IIRC, and with a 102point difference P = 0.64; therefore by drawing Anand our 2697rated hypothetical drawing master would gain 3.2 points per draw, and Anand would lose 3.2, which in a 10game match would come out to 32 Elo points won/lost. so to achieve an ELO of X one needs to make n=100/7*(X2697) draws. E.g. n=4329 draws to reach X=3000 Elo. The K * P * 0.5 formula says only 95 games would be required, though I wonder about that (see below). With this formula are you recalculating the ratings after each game? Not sure how anyone would manage that many games on a full length time control in one rating period, but in theory it is possible. Would FIDE actually rate such a match with D, the rating difference, remaining constant for all games? Clearly, after, say, the first 20 or 30 draws, our hypothetical drawing master has demonstrated equality with Anand, and it would not be logical for him to keep gaining rating points at Anand's expense while demonstrating no superiority over him. It would seem more logical to recalculate ratings periodically. In that case, Anand's initially higher rating would fall, his opponent's would rise, until they met somewhere near the middle, around 2748. After that, further draws would result in no rating change at all. In such a scenario, it would never be possible to reach a higher rating than one's opponent by means of nothing but draws. If my mathematical logic or calculations are flawed here (not unlikely!), my apologies; I raise these points as questions more than objections. 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
Thank you all for your journeys into these musings. )
Yes, it appears that at some point a middle ground is reached and the draw person obtains demonstrated equality with the master(s) without either defeat or victory. It would appear that, under this particular scenario, the "Draw Master" only reaches a rating as high as the lowest grandmaster that he draws against because the other grandmasters are maintaining their ratings relative to everyone else that they play. Is anyone good with mathematical equations so as to represent such an "ascent by draw" with an equation? My initial attempt had x0 or as x approaches zero where x represents "dysfunction" or as the "dangerous" chess pieces are eliminated such that the opponent no longer poses a threat and neither do I. Hence a tradeoff of my own "dysfunction" with an equal reduction of my opponent's dysfunction. This is the reason for the draw in the first place. The "rating" dynamic comes into play when "comparing" such a nonthreatening strategy against allegedly far superior opponents. The overall result or goal is that parity is achieved without the embarrassment or need to "save face" due to having been defeated. In regard to the Russian chess players, and perhaps the Icelandic players should be included in this explanation as well, it appears that since the brain literally heats up when in active use that alcohol may serve to "cool down" or relax the brain so that the subconscious or higher conscious calculating power of the brain can do its job most effectively. Might this help to explain why they are so good at chess without worrying about ratings? To that end, has anyone noticed or perhaps even documented the use of alcohol, and the amount of alcohol used, by any of the better players during matches? From ANY country for that matter? Thanks! 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
On Jan 29, 12:31 am, Bjoern wrote:
pialogue wrote: Theoretically speaking, if my personal goal was to achieve a draw in EVERY game that I played (as stupid or illadvised as that may sound to most people), then what is the highest chess rating that I could possibly achieve Theoretically speaking there is no upper limit. E.g. assume you are starting with a rating of, say, 2697. Then one draws a huge number of games against a higher rated opponent (e.g. in an endless match versus Andand=2799=difference of 102 = score probability of .36) in the same rating period. Then if you have n draws (and no other results) the rating change is n * 0.14 * 0.5, so to achieve an ELO of X one needs to make n=100/7*(X2697) draws. E.g. n=4329 draws to reach X=3000 Elo. Not sure how anyone would manage that many games on a full length time control in one rating period, but in theory it is possible. and is it theoretically possible to be a Grandmaster having never won OR lost a game? Yes. As a unrated player get yourself invited to three 9round closed GM tournaments with the opponents rated 2700 on average in each tournament, then draw all games. That should do the job. In theory, yes, but it's extremely unlikely due to the short windows in the rating period. It obviously is impossible to achieve a higher rating than any #1 on a "live" ranking.. 
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Grandmaster or Highest Rating by Draw?
On Feb 19, 7:39 pm, wrote:
It obviously is impossible to achieve a higher rating than any #1 on a "live" ranking.. :) (Obviously :) A drawing player may reach a rating which is very close to the rating of the world top rated player. Then it is enough that the top rated player loses some games (or even draws, or draws just one game) against a weaker player, and the drawing player becomes the top rated player of the world. Wlod 
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