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Old August 10th 08, 09:03 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice !!!

A few bugs were corrected and now GetClub will play twice stronger
moves.

Here is a game against Jester. Beginner Level survived till 64 moves
though it was Queen down in the opening.

So Players like Help Bot will find it much harder to win against
GetClub Chess.

Game Played between sanjay11 and beginner at GetClub.com

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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...493&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(Jester) -- (beginner)

1. e2-e4{8} d7-d5{0}
2. e4-d5{6} Qd8-d5{0}
3. Nb1-c3{6} Qd5-a5{0}
4. Ng1-f3{10} Nb8-c6{6}
5. Bf1-b5{12} Ng8-f6{14}
6. Bb5-c6{14} b7-c6{6}
7. Ke1-g1{12} e7-e5{22}
8. Nf3-e5{16} Qa5-e5{6}
9. Rf1-e1{10} Qe5-e7{48}
10. Re1-e7{10} Bf8-e7{10}
11. Qd1-f3{10} Bc8-d7{82}
12. Qf3-g3{12} Ke8-g8{8}
13. Qg3-c7{26} Rf8-e8{6}
14. Kg1-f1{24} Be7-c5{6}
15. d2-d3{12} Ra8-c8{10}
16. Qc7-f4{16} Bc5-b6{10}
17. Qf4-h4{12} Nf6-d5{16}
18. Nc3-e4{12} Rc8-b8{18}
19. c2-c4{16} Nd5-c7{16}
20. Qh4-g3{10} Re8-e6{6}
21. Bc1-f4{12} Rb8-b7{16}
22. Ne4-d6{10} Re6-g6{14}
23. Qg3-g6{12} h7-g6{6}
24. Nd6-b7{14} Bd7-f5{0}
25. c4-c5{12} Nc7-e6{10}
26. c5-b6{14} a7-b6{10}
27. Bf4-e3{12} Bf5-d3{12}
28. Kf1-g1{20} Bd3-a6{0}
29. Nb7-d6{12} c6-c5{10}
30. b2-b4{16} c5-b4{10}
31. Ra1-b1{10} b6-b5{24}
32. Rb1-b4{12} Ne6-c7{6}
33. Rb4-b3{12} f7-f6{18}
34. Rb3-a3{10} b5-b4{12}
35. Ra3-a4{10} b4-b3{28}
36. a2-b3{10} Ba6-d3{12}
37. Ra4-d4{14} Bd3-f5{8}
38. Nd6-f5{12} g6-f5{14}
39. Rd4-d6{12} Nc7-e8{6}
40. Rd6-d7{12} g7-g5{6}
41. Be3-c5{14} Ne8-g7{8}
42. Bc5-d4{12} g5-g4{18}
43. b3-b4{10} Kg8-f8{48}
44. b4-b5{14} Ng7-e6{24}
45. b5-b6{14} Kf8-e8{20}
46. b6-b7{16} Ke8-d7{6}
47. Bd4-b6{42} Ne6-f4{40}
48. Qb7-b8{Q}{14} Nf4-e6{6}
49. Qb8-h8{16} Kd7-d6{22}
50. Qh8-f6{12} f5-f4{6}
51. Qf6-h8{12} f4-f3{18}
52. Qh8-g8{12} f3-g2{6}
53. Qg8-g4{14} Ne6-c5{16}
54. Qg4-d4{18} Kd6-c6{6}
55. Bb6-a7{16} Nc5-d7{10}
56. f2-f4{14} Kc6-c7{10}
57. f4-f5{12} Kc7-c6{18}
58. Qd4-g4{12} Kc6-b7{8}
59. Qg4-c4{16} Nd7-e5{6}
60. Qc4-b5{12} Kb7-a7{6}
61. Qb5-e5{12} Ka7-a6{12}
62. f5-f6{14} Ka6-b6{6}
63. f6-f7{10} Kb6-c6{6}
64. Qf7-f8{Q}{22} Kc6-d7{0}
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Jester: (White)
beginner: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...493&game=Chess

Do you see GetClub playing Stronger moves and defending strongly.

Play a game: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html and tell me how good
the streength is of Beginner Level.

Help Bot you won a few games against Normal Level as there was a bug.
Now that bug has been removed So you will not be able to win the
Normal Level again.

Play a game with Easy Level Lets see if you can win that level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old August 10th 08, 10:24 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice !!!

On Aug 10, 4:03*am, Sanny wrote:

A few bugs were corrected and now GetClub will play twice stronger
moves.


I am experiencing the opposite effect: new bugs
crawl in each time I compete, and I seem to get
weaker and weaker as time goes by.


Here is a game against Jester. Beginner Level survived till 64 moves
though it was Queen down in the opening.

So Players like Help Bot will find it much harder to win against
GetClub Chess.


Much harder, eh? Where have I heard that
one before... .


Help Bot you won a few games against Normal Level as there was a bug.
Now that bug has been removed


A bug has been removed, again? Just how
many of these "bugs" are there, altogether--
four or five million? You need a bug that eats
other bugs-- like say, a preying mantis or a
spider. Make that an army of spiders.


So you will not be able to win the
Normal Level again.


That sounds familiar. I think I have heard
this claim at least a hundred times, and
each time more of the mysterious "bugs"
appear, to explain my multitude of wins--
all of which are actually the result of my
brilliant play.

Not long ago, I actually lost a game to
GetClub after struggling to entrap the
program's Queen (and nearly succeeding).
I missed a clever in-between move, and
its deadly follow-up Queen sacrifice. It
seems I might have been able to trap the
Queen if I had paid closer attention to the
details, especially seeing *all* the tactics.
Instead, I got back-rank mated like a
complete patzer.


-- help bot


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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice !!!

Sanny writes:

A few bugs were corrected and now GetClub will play twice stronger
moves.


I played another game between my Novag Constellation 3.6MHz and
GetClub beginner level. GetClub had many opportunities to win this
game, but in the end it lost anyway:

[Date "2008.08.10"]
[White "Novag Constellation 3.6MHz, level 2"]
[Black "GetClub beginner level, 2.6GHz Core2 duo"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Qb6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Be2 cxd4 7. cxd4 Be7 8.
O-O Nh6 9. Bxh6 gxh6 10. Qd2 Bd7 11. Rc1 Rg8 12. Nc3 Rg6 13. Bb5 Bb4 14.
Bd3 Nxd4 15. Bxg6 Nxf3+ 16. gxf3 hxg6 17. Qxh6 Rd8 18. Rc2 Qd4 19. Qe3 Qh4
20. Qxa7 Bc6 21. Re2 d4 22. Ne4 d3 23. Nf6+ Kf8 24. Re3 d2 25. Rd1 Be7 26.
Ne4 Bb4 27. a3 Be7 28. Rxd2 Rxd2 29. Nxd2 Bg5 30. Rd3 Bxd2 31. Qc5+ Kg8 32.
Qd4 Qg5+ 33. Kh1 Bf4 34. Qd8+ Qxd8 35. Rxd8+ Kg7 36. Kg2 Bxe5 37. b3 f6 38.
h4 Kf7 39. a4 b6 40. Rh8 f5 41. Rd8 Kf6 42. Rh8 Bd5 43. b4 Kf7 44. Rd8 Bf6
45. Rd7+ Be7 46. Ra7 Kf8 47. Ra6 Bxh4 48. Rxb6 g5 49. a5 g4 50. Kg1 Kf7 51.
fxg4 fxg4 52. a6 g3 53. fxg3 Bd8 54. Rb8 Ke7 55. a7 Bc7 56. Kh2 e5 57. a8=Q
Bxa8 58. Rxa8 e4 59. b5 Kd7 60. Kg2 e3 61. g4 Bd8 62. Kf3 Bb6 63. g5 Bc7
64. g6 e2 65. Kxe2 Be5 66. g7 Bxg7 67. Ra7+ Ke6 68. Rxg7 Kf6 69. b6 Kxg7
70. b7 Kf6 71. b8=Q Ke7 72. Qc7+ Ke6 73. Qc5 Kf6 74. Qd6+ Kf5 75. Kf3 Kg5
76. Qf4+ Kg6 77. Kg4 Kg7 78. Qe5+
{Black resigns} 1-0

--
Peter Osterlund -
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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Old August 10th 08, 05:10 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice !!!

On Aug 10, 2:24*pm, help bot wrote:
On Aug 10, 4:03*am, Sanny wrote:

A few bugs were corrected and nowGetClubwill play twice stronger
moves.


* I am experiencing the opposite effect: new bugs
crawl in each time I compete, and I seem to get
weaker and weaker as time goes by.


Yes I saw last 4-5 days the game became too bad and it was playing
worse. Those bugs has been removed, Now it will play as good as its
good days.

Play a quick game with Beginner Level and see how good it is playing.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Here is a game against Jester. Beginner Level survived till 64 moves
though it was Queen down in the opening.


So Players like Help Bot will find it much harder to win against
GetClubChess.


* Much harder, eh? *Where have I heard that
one before... .


Last 5 days game went in wrong direction. So those bugs has been
removed. Now it plays much stronger.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


Help Bot you won a few games against Normal Level as there was a bug.
Now that bug has been removed


* A bug has been removed, again? *Just how
many of these "bugs" are there, altogether--
four or five million? *You need a bug that eats
other bugs-- like say, a preying mantis or a
spider. *Make that an army of spiders.



Actually whenever a improvement is done a few bugs crept in. They are
found after few players have played the games. Only when a bug appear
we can correct it. They keep hiding and pop up any time. Once they pop
up its easy to correct them.

So you will not be able to win the
Normal Level again.


* That sounds familiar. *I think I have heard
this claim at least a hundred times, and
each time more of the mysterious "bugs"
appear, to explain my multitude of wins--
all of which are actually the result of my
brilliant play.


Yes I think your gameplay too has improved a lot. Despite improvements
you keep winning. This timer it would be a lot hard.

Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old August 10th 08, 05:12 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer
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On Aug 10, 5:57*pm, Peter Osterlund wrote:
Sanny writes:
A few bugs were corrected and nowGetClubwill play twice stronger
moves.


I played another game between my Novag Constellation 3.6MHz andGetClubbeginner level.GetClubhad many opportunities to win this
game, but in the end it lost anyway:


You used to use Micro Max which used to win in just 25 Moves.

Novag Constellation played badly that it took 78 moves to win

How much time Novag Constellation taking for each move?

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


[Date "2008.08.10"]
[White "Novag Constellation 3.6MHz, level 2"]
[Black "GetClubbeginner level, 2.6GHz Core2 duo"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Qb6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Be2 cxd4 7. cxd4 Be7 8..
O-O Nh6 9. Bxh6 gxh6 10. Qd2 Bd7 11. Rc1 Rg8 12. Nc3 Rg6 13. Bb5 Bb4 14.
Bd3 Nxd4 15. Bxg6 Nxf3+ 16. gxf3 hxg6 17. Qxh6 Rd8 18. Rc2 Qd4 19. Qe3 Qh4
20. Qxa7 Bc6 21. Re2 d4 22. Ne4 d3 23. Nf6+ Kf8 24. Re3 d2 25. Rd1 Be7 26..
Ne4 Bb4 27. a3 Be7 28. Rxd2 Rxd2 29. Nxd2 Bg5 30. Rd3 Bxd2 31. Qc5+ Kg8 32.
Qd4 Qg5+ 33. Kh1 Bf4 34. Qd8+ Qxd8 35. Rxd8+ Kg7 36. Kg2 Bxe5 37. b3 f6 38.
h4 Kf7 39. a4 b6 40. Rh8 f5 41. Rd8 Kf6 42. Rh8 Bd5 43. b4 Kf7 44. Rd8 Bf6
45. Rd7+ Be7 46. Ra7 Kf8 47. Ra6 Bxh4 48. Rxb6 g5 49. a5 g4 50. Kg1 Kf7 51.
fxg4 fxg4 52. a6 g3 53. fxg3 Bd8 54. Rb8 Ke7 55. a7 Bc7 56. Kh2 e5 57. a8=Q
Bxa8 58. Rxa8 e4 59. b5 Kd7 60. Kg2 e3 61. g4 Bd8 62. Kf3 Bb6 63. g5 Bc7
64. g6 e2 65. Kxe2 Be5 66. g7 Bxg7 67. Ra7+ Ke6 68. Rxg7 Kf6 69. b6 Kxg7
70. b7 Kf6 71. b8=Q Ke7 72. Qc7+ Ke6 73. Qc5 Kf6 74. Qd6+ Kf5 75. Kf3 Kg5
76. Qf4+ Kg6 77. Kg4 Kg7 78. Qe5+
{Black resigns} 1-0


See this Recorded game in Animation: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...529&game=Chess

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html





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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice !!!

Sanny writes:

On Aug 10, 5:57*pm, Peter Osterlund wrote:
Sanny writes:
A few bugs were corrected and nowGetClubwill play twice stronger
moves.


I played another game between my Novag Constellation 3.6MHz and
GetClub beginner level. GetClub had many opportunities to win this
game, but in the end it lost anyway:


You used to use Micro Max which used to win in just 25 Moves.


I don't think Micro Max was winning that fast. In one game it took
about 40 moves until getclub resigned, and in another game the result
was a draw.

However, as other people have tried to tell you repeatedly, the game
length is not necessary an indication how strong the program is. For
example, in one game between glaurung and getclub, getclub made a
simple tactical error at about move 10. The error made glaurung able
to win a piece by trading queens. So that game was basically over by
move 10, although, without the queens on the board, it took like 40
moves until glaurung was able to deliver check mate. (In many other
games glaurung can check mate in 20-30 moves.)

Do you think the bug that made getclub lose a piece at move 10
therefore made getclub stronger? I don't think so.

Novag Constellation played badly that it took 78 moves to win


Yes, the GetClub program appears better now than it used to be.
However it still lost to a 1650 ranked computer, so I don't think it's
anywhere near 2200 yet.

I also played two games with glaurung, and my impression is that
getclub was making fewer tactical mistakes than it used to make.

How much time Novag Constellation taking for each move?


I think it is about 7.5 seconds per move, but I have lost the manual
so I don't know exactly.

--
Peter Osterlund -
http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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I also played two games with glaurung, and my impression is that
getclub was making fewer tactical mistakes than it used to make.


Yes that was because today a few bugs were removed. So you found the
improvements. Lets see if Help Bot too sees these improvements in his
new games.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old August 12th 08, 08:45 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer
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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice !!!

On Aug 10, 12:10*pm, Sanny wrote:


Last 5 days game went in wrong direction. So those bugs has been
removed. Now it plays much stronger.

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

Help Bot you won a few games against Normal Level as there was a bug.
Now that bug has been removed


* A bug has been removed, again? *Just how
many of these "bugs" are there, altogether--
four or five million? *You need a bug that eats
other bugs-- like say, a preying mantis or a
spider. *Make that an army of spiders.


Actually whenever a improvement is done a few bugs crept in. They are
found after few players have played the games. Only when a bug appear
we can correct it. They keep hiding and pop up any time. Once they pop
up its easy to correct them.

So you will not be able to win the
Normal Level again.


* That sounds familiar. *I think I have heard
this claim at least a hundred times, and
each time more of the mysterious "bugs"
appear, to explain my multitude of wins--
all of which are actually the result of my
brilliant play.


Yes I think your gameplay too has improved a lot. Despite improvements
you keep winning. This timer it would be a lot hard.



I just finished a game against the Master
level, and let me tell you, there ain't no
"masters" I know of that play that weak!
(In fact, it now says Normal level, but I did
click on Master level, because there is no
way for me to get anywhere against low-
rated duffers like Normal, Easy, etc.)

Okay, here are the first few moves-- see
if you can spot the problem:

1. d4 f5

2. Bg5 Nf6

This is not considered to be good, as the
doubled pawns will leave White with a
mysterious "positional advantage".

3. Bxf6 exf6

4. e3 f4??

Now, look carefully-- can you see there is
a problem here?

5. exf4 ...and of course 1-0... it's just a
matter of technique from here.

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess

My recommendation? Call Orkin-- the
professional bug exterminators. Then call
their competition, and also the fire
department and the Men in Black. Then
call Ghostbusters and ask for Bill Murray.


-- help bot





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Yes I think your gameplay too has improved a lot. Despite improvements
you keep winning. This timer it would be a lot hard.


* I just finished a game against the Master
level, and let me tell you, there ain't no
"masters" I know of that play that weak!
(In fact, it now says Normal level, but I did
click on Master level, because there is no
way for me to get anywhere against low-
rated duffers like Normal, Easy, etc.)


After looking at time taken I find it was Normal Level. I feel in the
Applet you Chose Normal Level instead of Master Level. A few moves
were made in 90 seconds. Master level always take more than 300 sec /
move.

I recommend never play with Master Level as it will take 2-3 days to
complete that game.. Play again with Normal and finish your game in
just 4 hours.


* Okay, here are the first few moves-- see
if you can spot the problem:

*1. d4 *f5

*2. Bg5 *Nf6

*This is not considered to be good, as the
doubled pawns will leave White with a
mysterious "positional advantage".


This Opening has been Removed as Black lost half point due to double
pawns.


*3. Bxf6 *exf6

*4. e3 *f4??

* Now, look carefully-- can you see there is
a problem here?


"f4" was played as Black had double pawns it had a loss of half point.
When White took the f4 pawn Black lost only half point. But Black
gained half point as now White pawns are Doubled.

Is this wrong thing?

As I give a loss of half point for double Pawns. So GetClub gave its
pawn It actually lost only half point but since White also get doubled
pawn It gives a loss of "0 points".


*5. exf4 * ...and of course 1-0... it's just a
matter of technique from here.

http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess


This game was quite easy for you as you got 1 point up in the Opening
itself. Now thisopening has been removed from GetClub.

Game Played between help bot and normal at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
help bot: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(help bot) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{4} f7-f5{0}
2. Bc1-g5{30} Ng8-f6{0}
3. Bg5-f6{6} e7-f6{608}
4. e2-e3{36} f5-f4{1282}
5. e3-f4{12} Qd8-e7{336}
6. Qd1-e2{2176} Nb8-a6{98}
7. Nb1-c3{50} Qe7-e2{1282}
8. Ng1-e2{194} d7-d6{284}
9. Ke1-c1{70} Bc8-g4{1282}
10. h2-h3{60} Bg4-h5{96}
11. g2-g4{82} Bh5-f7{110}
12. Ne2-g3{60} Na6-b4{276}
13. Bf1-g2{134} Ke8-c8{126}
14. a2-a3{48} Nb4-a6{490}
15. Rh1-e1{114} Kc8-b8{374}
16. Bg2-d5{188} Bf7-d5{190}
17. Nc3-d5{6} c7-c6{344}
18. Nd5-e3{80} d6-d5{488}
19. Ne3-g2{134} Bf8-d6{222}
20. Ng3-f5{302} Na6-c7{1054}
21. Nf5-g7{60} a7-a6{494}
22. f4-f5{90} Rh8-g8{200}
23. Ng7-h5{32} Rd8-f8{368}
24. Re1-e2{76} Rf8-f7{918}
25. Rd1-e1{102} Rg8-f8{850}
26. Ng2-f4{52} Rf8-g8{216}
27. Nf4-e6{54} Nc7-b5{126}
28. Kc1-d2{130} Rg8-f8{456}
29. Ne6-f8{80} Nb5-d4{80}
30. Nf8-e6{46} Nd4-e2{322}
31. Re1-e2{32} c6-c5{196}
32. Nh5-f4{234} d5-d4{196}
33. c2-c3{86} h7-h6{160}
34. c3-d4{30} c5-d4{176}
35. Nf4-d5{116} d4-d3{118}
36. Kd2-d3{32} Kb8-a7{608}
37. Kd3-d4{132} Bd6-b8{320}
38. f2-f4{80} a6-a5{92}
39. a3-a4{36} b7-b6{176}
40. Ne6-d8{92} Rf7-f8{450}
41. Nd8-c6{138} Ka7-b7{112}
42. Nc6-b8{46} Rf8-b8{130}
43. Re2-e7{50} Kb7-a8{256}
44. Kd4-c4{132} b6-b5{400}
45. a4-b5{52} h6-h5{202}
46. Nd5-c7{70} Ka8-a7{80}
47. Kc4-c5{62} h5-g4{90}
48. h3-g4{38} a5-a4{1282}
49. Nc7-d5{132} Rb8-b7{2}
50. b5-b6{74} Ka7-a6{168}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
help bot: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess

Bye
Sanny

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On Aug 12, 4:35*am, Sanny wrote:

After looking at time taken I find it was Normal Level. I feel in the
Applet you Chose Normal Level instead of Master Level. A few moves
were made in 90 seconds. Master level always take more than 300 sec /
move.


Okay. (Some days you just can't get rid
of a bomb.)


I recommend never play with Master Level as it will take 2-3 days to
complete that game.. Play again with Normal and finish your game in
just 4 hours.


Yeah... but the ratings gap is getting pretty
wide, and as a result, I gain very little for a
win against the lower levels (despite the four
hours).


* Okay, here are the first few moves-- see
if you can spot the problem:


*1. d4 *f5


*2. Bg5 *Nf6


*This is not considered to be good, as the
doubled pawns will leave White with a
mysterious "positional advantage".


This Opening has been Removed as Black lost half point due to double
pawns.

*3. Bxf6 *exf6


*4. e3 *f4??


* Now, look carefully-- can you see there is
a problem here?


"f4" was played as Black had double pawns it had a loss of half point.
When White took the f4 pawn Black lost only half point. But Black
gained half point as now White pawns are Doubled.

Is this wrong thing?



Yes; it is just poor logic.

Consider a position (on a very large chess
board) where Black has 100 pawns, and
gives them all away to "gain half points"
and cause the opponent to "lose half
points"; White now has the 100 pawns, and
the score has not changed one iota. Logic
should tell you that if you think a doubled
pawn is worth a half point, then in this case
White ought to have *gained 50 points*
from all those trades.

I don't know how you handle the math in
your program, but you can't penalize Black
a half-point for a doubled pawn, and count
the liquidation of such a pawn as a half-
point gain, AND penalize White for gaining
a doubled pawn. White should not ever
be penalized for *gaining* material in the
exchange.


As I give a loss of half point for double Pawns. So GetClub gave its
pawn It actually lost only half point but since White also get doubled
pawn It gives a loss of "0 points".



That's just plain wrong. When White wins
a pawn that happens to be doubled, his
net gain is less-- but he still *gains*.


*5. exf4 * ...and of course 1-0... it's just a
matter of technique from here.


http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...628&game=Chess


This game was quite easy for you as you got 1 point up in the Opening
itself. Now thisopening has been removed from GetClub.



I have won countless games in this same
line at GetClub. Only now, in August of
2008, will the easy pickings after 2. Bg5
come to a screeching halt? Okay-fine. I
will find some other way to crush your
killer Dutch Defense like carrots. :D


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