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Over on the USCF Issues Forum, Former USCF President Tim Redman is
arguing that the postings by the Fake Sam Sloan were "satire" and
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

However, calling a female chess personality a "bulldyke" and calling a
well known scholastic chess organizer a gay pedophile with a history
of molesting young boys at chess tournaments, as the Fake Sam Sloan
often did, is not satire.

I am deeply shocked that Tim Redman would call such words
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

Sam Sloan
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samsloan wrote:
Over on the USCF Issues Forum, Former USCF President Tim Redman is
arguing that the postings by the Fake Sam Sloan were "satire" and
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

However, calling a female chess personality a "bulldyke" and calling a
well known scholastic chess organizer a gay pedophile with a history
of molesting young boys at chess tournaments, as the Fake Sam Sloan
often did, is not satire.

I am deeply shocked that Tim Redman would call such words
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

Sam Sloan


Mr. Redman is completely incorrect if he thinks that the FSS postings
were satire. They were anonymous harassment and defamation. The
satire/parody defense has been periodically floated by Trolgar minions
before. It's sad to see supposedly intelligent people acting as
apologists for these kinds of acts by such people. But, that's not
unusual in our world. The motives vary, but one motive is never
there--truth.
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samsloan wrote:

Over on the USCF Issues Forum, Former USCF President Tim Redman is
arguing that the postings by the Fake Sam Sloan were "satire" and
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

However, calling a female chess personality a "bulldyke" and calling a
well known scholastic chess organizer a gay pedophile with a history
of molesting young boys at chess tournaments, as the Fake Sam Sloan
often did, is not satire.



It is incorrect to characterize all of the FSS
postings as if they were homogenized, mixed
and stirred with some secret ingredient that
keeps them everywhere the same.

The fact is, some of the postings may fit
the definition of satire, while others may well
be described as something else, something
criminal.

Obviously, the lawsuit against the FSS will
tend to pea-pick examples which are not
merely satire, while a defense lawyer may
try to give examples which were-- to muddy
the waters. But all it should take for a win is
to show that /some/ of the FSS postings
amounted to criminal behavior, and of course
demonstrating the identity of the FSS.


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On Sep 2, 7:10*am, samsloan wrote:
Over on the USCF Issues Forum, Former USCF President Tim Redman is
arguing that the postings by the Fake Sam Sloan were "satire" and
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

However, calling a female chess personality a "bulldyke" and calling a
well known scholastic chess organizer a gay pedophile with a history
of molesting young boys at chess tournaments, as the Fake Sam Sloan
often did, is not satire.

I am deeply shocked that Tim Redman would call such words
"Constitutionally Protected Speech".

Sam Sloan


Whether these are constitutionally protected or not doesn't matter
much with regard to fitness to serve on the board. Truong denied these
were his repeatedly, and this led to a prolonged fight which is bad
for the board. If (as I believe) he is the poster, he must step down
from the board; the court can then decide issues of whether this was
just nasty or illegal behavior.

Jerry Spinrad
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"samsloan" wrote in message
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Dr. Redman a gay pedophile with a history of
soliciting boys for sex at chess tournaments he directs,

===============

Do you have any evidence to back up this libelous allegation against Dr
Redman?




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Judd for the Defense wrote:
"samsloan" wrote in message
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Dr. Redman a gay pedophile with a history of
soliciting boys for sex at chess tournaments he directs,

===============

Do you have any evidence to back up this libelous allegation against Dr
Redman?


That isn't what Mr. Sloan wrote. Sloan wrote, "I would have been
willing to wager that if the Fake Sam Sloan had ever called Dr. Redman a
gay pedophile with a history of soliciting boys for sex at chess
tournaments he directs, then Dr. Redman would suddenly drop his high
sounding words about the US Constitution protecting satire and parody."

Not actionable at all.
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Judd for the Defense wrote:
"samsloan" wrote in message
...

Dr. Redman a gay pedophile with a history of
soliciting boys for sex at chess tournaments he directs,

===============

Do you have any evidence to back up this libelous allegation against Dr
Redman?

That isn't what Mr. Sloan wrote. Sloan wrote, "I would have been willing
to wager that if the Fake Sam Sloan had ever called Dr. Redman a gay
pedophile with a history of soliciting boys for sex at chess tournaments
he directs, then Dr. Redman would suddenly drop his high sounding words
about the US Constitution protecting satire and parody."

Not actionable at all.


If I understand you correctly you're saying that truth is a defense to libel
and that you're agreeing with Sam Sloan when states that "Dr. Redman [is] a
gay pedophile with a history of soliciting boys for sex at chess tournaments
he directs." Again, I must ask you or Mr Sloan f they have proof of this
despicable allegation.


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On Sep 2, 1:32*pm, "Judd for the Defense" wrote:

Again, I must ask you or Mr Sloan f they have proof of this despicable allegation.


The truth is that the Fake Sam Sloan, Susan Polgar and Paul Truong
all said that about another candidate they opposed. They did not say
that about me or Dr. Redman.

Sam Sloan

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"samsloan" wrote in message
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On Sep 2, 1:32 pm, "Judd for the Defense" wrote:

Again, I must ask you or Mr Sloan f they have proof of this despicable
allegation.


The truth is that the Fake Sam Sloan, Susan Polgar and Paul Truong
all said that about another candidate they opposed. They did not say
that about me or Dr. Redman.

====

On the contrary, you made the allegation that "Dr. Redman [is] a gay
pedophile with a history of soliciting boys for sex at chess tournaments he
directs" and I am asking you for evidence. Shirley with your sooper geniouos
legal IQ you don't think that making a statement like that and merely
masking it in the hypothetical makes it not libel and not actionable, do
you, you ****ing retard?



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Shirley had nothing to do with this either and by inserting "[is]"
with quotation marks around it you have created a false quote which
makes you, not me, guilty of libel.

Sam Sloan
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