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Old October 1st 08, 02:04 AM posted to rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Easy v Vlad

Greetings,

Below are two games between GetClub's Easy level and Vlad, once of the
Chessmaster personalities who is rated approximately 1850 USCF. Each
side had White once. The result is 1.5-0.5 for Vlad.

The first game was a complete strangulating win for Vlad, giving
checkmate in only 33 moves. Vlad uses rather unorthodox openings, and
was not doing well as of the first few moves of the game. However,
Easy forgot what "tempo" means and played 6...Ng4 and 8...Nd4. After
that, it was simple for Vlad to continue the squeeze and win,
exploiting a very useful pin on Easy's d5 pawn.

Easy had a simple win in the second game, thanks to some poor moves by
Vlad, but failed to make the obvious move of 105.Kxh5. This drew the
game. I ended this game early because Vlad uses endgame tablebases and
the position was a guaranteed draw when Easy played (for some
inexplicable reason) 105.Kg6 instead. Yes, I played through 105 moves
with Easy -- never again. Easy took about 2.5 hours to make all of its
moves; Vlad took eight seconds.

[Date "2008.9.26"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Vlad"]
[Black "Easy"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.g3 e5 2.Bg2 d5 3.d3 Nf6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.O-O Bc5 6.Nc3 Ng4 7.Bg5 f6
8.Bd2
Nd4 9.e3 Nf5 10.Qe2 Be6 11.a3 b6 12.b4 Be7 13.h3 Ngh6 14.d4 exd4
15.exd4
Qd7 16.Rfe1 Bg8 17.g4 Nd6 18.Rab1 Bf7 19.b5 Nc4 20.Bf4 g5 21.Nd2 gxf4
22.Nxc4 f3 23.Qxf3 O-O-O 24.Re2 Rhg8 25.Rbe1 Bf8 26.Ne3 f5 27.Nexd5
Bxd5
28.Nxd5 fxg4 29.Ne7+ Qxe7 30.Qa8+ Kd7 31.Bc6+ Kd6 32.Qxd8+ Qxd8
33.Re6#
1-0

[Date "2008.9.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Merlin"]
[Black "Vlad"]
[Result "1/2"]

1.d4 e6 2.e3 Nf6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bd6 5.Bd3 O-O 6.Ng5 a6 7.Bd2 h6 8.Nf3
Nc6 9.h3 Bd7 10.O-O b6 11.Rb1 Qe7 12.Qc1 Rfb8 13.b3 Ba3 14.Qd1 b5
15.Ne5
Rd8 16.f4 Rab8 17.Rf3 Be8 18.Qe1 Rb6 19.Rg3 Bd7 20.Qf2 Qf8 21.Qe1 Be8
22.Rf3 Qe7 23.Qd1 Ra8 24.Rg3 Bd7 25.Qf3 Rbb8 26.Rd1 Rd8 27.Qf2 Qf8
28.Qf3 Rab8 29.Be1 Rb6 30.Bd2 Be8 31.Rb1 Qe7 32.Rd1 Rbb8 33.Qf2 Nh5
34.Nxc6 Bxc6 35.Rg4 Nf6 36.Rg3 Bb4 37.Qf3 Kh8 38.Rc1 Ba3 39.Rd1 Bb7
40.Rf1 Kg8 41.Rd1 Qd6 42.Qf2 Qb6 43.Qf3 Ra8 44.Re1 Be7 45.Rd1 Bb4
46.Nb1
Bd6 47.Nc3 Be7 48.Rf1 Qc6 49.Re1 b4 50.Nd1 a5 51.Nf2 a4 52.c4 bxc3ep
53.Rc1 Bb4 54.Qd1 Kh8 55.Rf3 Rdb8 56.Ng4 Nd7 57.Ne5 Nxe5 58.fxe5 Kg8
59.Qf1 axb3 60.axb3 cxd2 61.Rxc6 Bxc6 62.Rxf7 d1=Q 63.Bh7+ Kxh7
64.Qxd1
Ra7 65.Qg4 Ra1+ 66.Kh2 Rg8 67.Qxe6 Bb5 68.Qxd5 c6 69.Qe6 Ra2 70.d5
cxd5
71.Rb7 Bf1 72.Qf5+ Kh8 73.Qxf1 Bc3 74.Qf5 Rd2 75.Rf7 Bb4 76.Qf4 Rb8
77.e6 Rb6 78.e7 Bxe7 79.Rxe7 Rg6 80.Qf8+ Kh7 81.Qf3 Kg8 82.Rd7 Rf6
83.Qh5 Kh7 84.Rxd5 Rb2 85.Rd3 Rf8 86.e4 Rff2 87.Qg4 Rf6 88.e5 Rg6
89.Qe4
Rxg2+ 90.Qxg2 Rxg2+ 91.Kxg2 Kg6 92.e6 Kf6 93.Rd7 Kxe6 94.Rxg7 Kf6
95.Rg8
Kf7 96.Rg4 Kf6 97.Kg3 h5 98.Rg5 Kxg5 99.h4+ Kf5 100.b4 Ke5 101.b5 Kd6
102.b6 Kc6 103.Kf4 Kxb6 104.Kg5 Kc5 105.Kg6 Kd6 106.Kg5 Kc5 *

So, it seems pretty clear to me that Easy does not play anywhere near
the 2350+ that Sanny claims. At best, given the fact that I've only
played two games, I would say that Easy is somewhere between 1700-1900
USCF. Easy is significantly stronger than Beginner, which I would
estimate at about 1200 USCF.

This was all very tedious, so I'm done. Sanny, please don't bother to
say that the above move (105.Kg6) was "a bug that has been removed and
now GetClub plays twice stronger".

jm
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Default Easy v Vlad

I probably should clarify how Vlad works. It has a search depth of 3
(about 1/4 of what Easy searches on average, as far as I can tell from
the interface). This is why it moves so quickly.

The second game shows how an engine with such a low search depth, no
matter how strong, has little ability to make a plan or take advantage
of an opening. The game was very exhausting and discouraging to play
through, not just because of the time involved, but because Vlad
refused to go for the kill that Easy offered it on many occasions.

jm
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Old October 3rd 08, 07:10 AM posted to rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Easy v Vlad

I could only find the first game.

Game Played between JVMerlino and easy at GetClub.com

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JVMerlino: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...895&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(JVMerlino) -- (easy)

1. g2-g3{2} e7-e5{0}
2. Bf1-g2{10} d7-d5{0}
3. d2-d3{10} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Ng1-f3{8} Nb8-c6{0}
5. Ke1-g1{10} Bf8-c5{66}
6. Nb1-c3{12} Nf6-g4{88}
7. Bc1-g5{22} f7-f6{32}
8. Bg5-d2{10} Nc6-d4{22}
9. e2-e3{12} Nd4-f5{80}
10. Qd1-e2{8} Bc8-e6{96}
11. a2-a3{18} b7-b6{136}
12. b2-b4{16} Bc5-e7{124}
13. h2-h3{16} Ng4-h6{32}
14. d3-d4{10} e5-d4{156}
15. e3-d4{10} Qd8-d7{66}
16. Rf1-e1{20} Be6-g8{102}
17. g3-g4{18} Nf5-d6{20}
18. Ra1-b1{8} Bg8-f7{32}
19. b4-b5{10} Nd6-c4{90}
20. Bd2-f4{14} g7-g5{30}
21. Nf3-d2{12} g5-f4{28}
22. Nd2-c4{12} f4-f3{46}
23. Qe2-f3{10} Ke8-c8{72}
24. Re1-e2{10} Rh8-g8{44}
25. Rb1-e1{12} Be7-f8{48}
26. Nc4-e3{8} f6-f5{24}
27. Ne3-d5{14} Bf7-d5{68}
28. Nc3-d5{12} f5-g4{30}
29. Nd5-e7{16} Qd7-e7{0}
30. Qf3-a8{12} Kc8-d7{0}
31. Bg2-c6{12} Kd7-d6{0}
32. Qa8-d8{14} Qe7-d8{0}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JVMerlino: (White)
easy: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...895&game=Chess

Above is the game with time taken by Both.

I could not find the game that was Drawn.

[Date "2008.9.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Merlin"]
[Black "Vlad"]
[Result "1/2"]

Who is Merlin??? I think you played with some other program.

You said easy missed 2 tempo by playing 6...Ng4 and 8...Nd4? What is
Tempo? How to know if a move is loss to tempo?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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