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Old October 16th 08, 06:32 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
few programs are better than it.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master.are still stronger than
GetClub.

My Question is what is left that needs to be done So that it can win
games against Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master?

With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+

Best Player at GetClub "Help Bot" has gone out for some unknown
reasions. So I am not getting any help from players on improving the
GetClub game further. I feel sad that such a good player is missing.

Strong players play a few games and let me know how you feel about the
Chess Game at GetClub.

Is there anyone who can beat the Easy Level and Normal Level?

Beginner: 15 sec/ move [for 90% players.]
Easy: 60 sec / move [for Tournament Players.]
Normal: 4 min / move [for Top rated Players.]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Sanny
wrote:

Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
few programs are better than it.


With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.


Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+


I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that last number.
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Old October 16th 08, 08:56 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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"Mike Murray" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Sanny
wrote:

Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
few programs are better than it.


With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.


Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+


I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that last number.



Is this "Sanny" some sort of deranged AI experiment? Why in the world does
he think his silly little Java app is so strong that "only a few programs
are better than it"? His web site is a joke, he is completely clueless
when it comes to understanding chess, and his "chess program" plays only
slightly better than Boris from 30 years ago.

I love how he invents new ratings every time he makes his program play 1
less incredibly stupid move.


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On Oct 16, 10:32*am, Sanny wrote:
I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master.are still stronger than
GetClub.


Sanny, I would VERY conservatively guess that there are at least 100
programs better than your engine at tournament time controls. The
number might actually be closer to 200.

My Question is what is left that needs to be done So that it can win
games against Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master?


A good start would be to write an engine that doesn't give stalemate
when it's up a queen and a pawn....

[Date "2008.10.16"]
[White "Beginner"]
[Black "Lacey"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Ne5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 d4 6.exf6 dxc3 7.Qxd8+
Kxd8 8.e4 exf6 9.bxc3 Be6 10.Bd3 Bd6 11.Be3 Be5 12.Bd4 c5 13.Bxe5
fxe5
14.O-O Ke7 15.c4 Rad8 16.Rab1 b6 17.Rfd1 f6 18.f3 Rhf8 19.Be2 Rxd1+
20.Rxd1 Rd8 21.Rd3 Bxc4 22.Rxd8 Bxe2 23.Rd2 Bc4 24.a4 a6 25.g3 Be6
26.Rd1 b5 27.axb5 axb5 28.g4 b4 29.Kf2 b3 30.cxb3 Bxb3 31.Rd3 c4
32.Rc3
Kd6 33.h3 Kc5 34.h4 Kd4 35.Rc1 c3 36.h5 c2 37.Ke2 Kc3 38.h6 gxh6
39.Rh1
Bc4+ 40.Ke3 h5 41.gxh5 Bf7 42.h6 Be6 43.Rc1 Kb2 44.Kd2 Bb3 45.Re1 Be6
46.Rc1 Bb3 47.Re1 Be6 48.Rg1 f5 49.Rc1 Bb3 50.exf5 Ba4 51.f6 Bb3
52.Rxc2+ Bxc2 53.f7 Bb3 54.f8=Q Ka2 55.Qa8+ Kb2 56.Qe4 Bg8 57.Ke3 Kb3
58.Kd3 Kb2 59.Ke3 Kb3 60.Kf2 Kc3 61.Qxe5+ Kc4 62.Qc7+ Kd5 63.Qd8+ Ke5
64.Qxg8 Kf4 65.Qd5 1/2-1/2

Or perhaps your engine doesn't understand "stalemate"? :-p Will it be
"twice improved" if you include it?

With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.

Beginner: 2250+


Perhaps if I tell you for the tenth time, you might believe me.
Beginner does not play better than 1300.

jm
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On Oct 16, 10:32*pm, Sanny wrote:
Now, GetClub is one of the strongest Chess Program in world. Only a
few programs are better than it.

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master.are still stronger than
GetClub.


Has anyone done a definitive analysis as to which is the strongest
commercially available chess program available in the world today.

My Question is what is left that needs to be done So that it can win
games against Rybka, Fritz, Toga and Chess Master?

With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+

Best Player at GetClub "Help Bot" has gone out for some unknown
reasions. So I am not getting any help from players on improving the
GetClub game further. I feel sad that such a good player is missing.

Strong players play a few games and let me know how you feel about the
Chess Game at GetClub.

Is there anyone who can beat the Easy Level and Normal Level?

Beginner: 15 sec/ move [for 90% players.]
Easy: 60 sec / move [for Tournament Players.]
Normal: 4 min / move [for Top rated Players.]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




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Old October 17th 08, 06:59 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Now,GetClubis one of the strongestChessProgram in world. Only a
few programs are better than it.


Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


I think, Rybka, Fritz, Toga andChessMaster.are still stronger than
GetClub.


Has anyone done a definitive analysis as to which is the strongest
commercially availablechessprogram available in the world today.


Most people say Rybka is the strongest Program available on the
market.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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[Date "2008.10.16"]
[White "Beginner"]
[Black "Lacey"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Ne5 Nxe5 5.dxe5 d4 6.exf6 dxc3 7.Qxd8+
Kxd8 8.e4 exf6 9.bxc3 Be6 10.Bd3 Bd6 11.Be3 Be5 12.Bd4 c5 13.Bxe5
fxe5
14.O-O Ke7 15.c4 Rad8 16.Rab1 b6 17.Rfd1 f6 18.f3 Rhf8 19.Be2 Rxd1+
20.Rxd1 Rd8 21.Rd3 Bxc4 22.Rxd8 Bxe2 23.Rd2 Bc4 24.a4 a6 25.g3 Be6
26.Rd1 b5 27.axb5 axb5 28.g4 b4 29.Kf2 b3 30.cxb3 Bxb3 31.Rd3 c4
32.Rc3
Kd6 33.h3 Kc5 34.h4 Kd4 35.Rc1 c3 36.h5 c2 37.Ke2 Kc3 38.h6 gxh6
39.Rh1
Bc4+ 40.Ke3 h5 41.gxh5 Bf7 42.h6 Be6 43.Rc1 Kb2 44.Kd2 Bb3 45.Re1 Be6
46.Rc1 Bb3 47.Re1 Be6 48.Rg1 f5 49.Rc1 Bb3 50.exf5 Ba4 51.f6 Bb3
52.Rxc2+ Bxc2 53.f7 Bb3 54.f8=Q Ka2 55.Qa8+ Kb2 56.Qe4 Bg8 57.Ke3 Kb3
58.Kd3 Kb2 59.Ke3 Kb3 60.Kf2 Kc3 61.Qxe5+ Kc4 62.Qc7+ Kd5 63.Qd8+ Ke5
64.Qxg8 Kf4 65.Qd5 1/2-1/2


Its a Drawn Game. Good Fight.

Or perhaps your engine doesn't understand "stalemate"? :-p Will it be
"twice improved" if you include it?


In this game GetClub was Queen up. But the game was Stalemate. So a
Draw was Given to this game.

Were you playing taking help of any other program or you were playing
using your Chess Skills?

Game Played between JVMerlino and beginner at GetClub.com

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JVMerlino: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...038&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(beginner) -- (JVMerlino)

1. d2-d4{82} Ng8-f6{22}
2. Ng1-f3{14} d7-d5{40}
3. Nb1-c3{12} Nb8-c6{50}
4. Nf3-e5{0} Nc6-e5{10}
5. d4-e5{6} d5-d4{6}
6. e5-f6{22} d4-c3{8}
7. Qd1-d8{6} Ke8-d8{12}
8. e2-e4{28} e7-f6{10}
9. b2-c3{8} Bc8-e6{8}
10. Bf1-d3{6} Bf8-d6{6}
11. Bc1-e3{12} Bd6-e5{8}
12. Be3-d4{8} c7-c5{10}
13. Bd4-e5{10} f6-e5{6}
14. Ke1-g1{12} Kd8-e7{16}
15. c3-c4{14} Ra8-d8{14}
16. Ra1-b1{44} b7-b6{6}
17. Rf1-d1{8} f7-f6{8}
18. f2-f3{12} Rh8-f8{8}
19. Bd3-e2{12} Rd8-d1{8}
20. Rb1-d1{6} Rf8-d8{12}
21. Rd1-d3{12} Be6-c4{10}
22. Rd3-d8{8} Bc4-e2{10}
23. Rd8-d2{6} Be2-c4{10}
24. a2-a4{10} a7-a6{6}
25. g2-g3{18} Bc4-e6{10}
26. Rd2-d1{10} b6-b5{8}
27. a4-b5{10} a6-b5{6}
28. g3-g4{16} b5-b4{8}
29. Kg1-f2{10} b4-b3{8}
30. c2-b3{6} Be6-b3{8}
31. Rd1-d3{10} c5-c4{8}
32. Rd3-c3{6} Ke7-d6{6}
33. h2-h3{12} Kd6-c5{6}
34. h3-h4{6} Kc5-d4{6}
35. Rc3-c1{10} c4-c3{6}
36. h4-h5{12} c3-c2{6}
37. Kf2-e2{18} Kd4-c3{8}
38. h5-h6{24} g7-h6{6}
39. Rc1-h1{12} Bb3-c4{10}
40. Ke2-e3{6} h6-h5{10}
41. g4-h5{10} Bc4-f7{8}
42. h5-h6{6} Bf7-e6{6}
43. Rh1-c1{10} Kc3-b2{12}
44. Ke3-d2{6} Be6-b3{12}
45. Rc1-e1{10} Bb3-e6{10}
46. Re1-c1{28} Be6-b3{8}
47. Rc1-e1{10} Bb3-e6{8}
48. Re1-g1{22} f6-f5{10}
49. Rg1-c1{18} Be6-b3{14}
50. e4-f5{6} Bb3-a4{6}
51. f5-f6{14} Ba4-b3{6}
52. Rc1-c2{22} Bb3-c2{6}
53. f6-f7{6} Bc2-b3{6}
54. Qf7-f8{Q}{12} Kb2-a2{8}
55. Qf8-a8{6} Ka2-b2{8}
56. Qa8-e4{10} Bb3-g8{10}
57. Kd2-e3{14} Kb2-b3{8}
58. Ke3-d3{32} Kb3-b2{8}
59. Kd3-e3{10} Kb2-b3{6}
60. Ke3-f2{8} Kb3-c3{6}
61. Qe4-e5{6} Kc3-c4{6}
62. Qe5-c7{6} Kc4-d5{6}
63. Qc7-d8{6} Kd5-e5{10}
64. Qd8-g8{8} Ke5-f4{6}
65. Qg8-d5{2}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JVMerlino: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...038&game=Chess

With all the major recent improvements I am happy to give new ratings
to each level.


Beginner: 2250+


Perhaps if I tell you for the tenth time, you might believe me.
Beginner does not play better than 1300.


Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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I'm getting a sense of deja vu from that last number.

Is this "Sanny" some sort of deranged AI experiment? * Why in the world does
he think his silly little Java app is so strong that "only a few programs
are better than it"? * His web site is a joke, he is completely clueless
when it comes to understandingchess, and his "chessprogram" plays only
slightly better than Boris from 30 years ago.


Today GetClub beat SamSloan. Easy Level win the game against
SamSloan.

If the player is real SamSloan then Easy was playing very strongly.


Game Played between samsloan and easy at GetClub.com

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samsloan: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...047&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(easy) -- (samsloan)

1. b2-b3{2} e7-e5{4}
2. e2-e4{20} Nb8-c6{4}
3. Ng1-f3{22} Bf8-c5{6}
4. Nb1-c3{20} d7-d6{4}
5. Bf1-c4{156} f7-f5{8}
6. Bc1-b2{40} Ng8-f6{12}
7. e4-f5{80} Bc8-f5{6}
8. Ke1-g1{60} Qd8-d7{12}
9. Nc3-b5{102} Ke8-c8{88}
10. d2-d4{154} e5-d4{12}
11. Nf3-d4{66} Bf5-g4{50}
12. Qd1-d2{110} a7-a6{10}
13. Nd4-c6{26} a6-b5{28}
14. Bb2-f6{26} g7-f6{44}
15. Qd2-a5{26} b7-c6{20}
16. Qa5-a8{0}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
samsloan: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...047&game=Chess

So you can see how SamSloan was beaten by Easy Level in just 16 moves.

SamSloan claims he is better than Taylor Kingston. And Easy Level win
the game. So to Conclude Easy Level plays better than both SamSloan
and Taylor Kingston.

So my Ratings below are correct.

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


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On Oct 16, 10:32 am, Sanny wrote:


Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 2350+
Normal: 2450+


Sanny is dislectic. He meant:

Beginner: 2250+
Easy: 3250++
Normal: 4250+++

Sanny, what about your abnormal level?


Best Player at GetClub "Help Bot" has gone out for some unknown
reasions.


Must be for eurosions.


Wlod

PS. Yes, Mike, deja vu, indeed, that was my
first impression or reaction too.
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On Oct 16, 11:05*pm, Sanny wrote:

Its a Drawn Game. Good Fight.


Sort of. Yes, it was a drawn game and a "good fight" until Lacey made
a blunder on move 48 and gave the win to Beginner. Beginner actually
had a mate in 4 on move 55, but instead required 11 moves just to give
stalemate. This is not the behavior of an engine that is rated
"2250+".

Were you playing taking help of any other program or you were playing
using your Chess Skills?


You seem to have forgotten the previous games that I played between
Lacey and Beginner. Lacey is a personality in Chessmaster who is rated
1308 USCF. I have played three games between Beginner and Lacey, and
Beginner has not won any of them (two wins and one draw for Lacey).

Your game was a Stalemate and Beginner was a Queen up. Whats your
Rating? Atleast give that much to Beginner Level.


In terms of giving a rating to Beginner, it is completely irrelevant
that it was up a Queen. The only thing that matters is the result of
the game, which was a draw.

jm
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