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Default GetClub Chess improved Twice Again.

On Oct 18, 7:15*am, Sanny wrote:
On Oct 18, 1:07*pm, "Alessandro J." wrote:





On 18 Ott, 09:53, Sanny wrote:


Today again GetClub strength was doubled. So It will play twice
Stronger Game.


Now Easy Level (60 sec / move) plays as good as Rybka at (5 sec /
move).


So now I increase the rating of each level by +50.


Beginner: 2300+
Easy: 2400+
Normal: 2400+


You forgot to improve the Normal level.
This means GetClub, at 2500, is now a GM !!
Congrats !!


The new Rating of GetClub Levels are

Beginner: 2300+
Easy: 2400+
Normal: 2500+


As usual, more nonsense from Sanny. As an experiment, I dumbed
Fritz8 down to Elo 1600, using the "handicap" feature. I pitted it
first against GetClub beginner level, which Sanny claims to be 2300
strength. As you can see, it performed nowhere near that well:

GetClub (Beginner level) vs. Fritz8 (Elo 1600 level, blitz mode): 1.
d4 {0} Nf6 {2} 2. c4 {18} d5 {3} 3. c5 {29} Bf5 {6} 4. Nf3 {46} Nbd7
{9} 5. Nc3 {16} e6 {8} 6. Bf4 {33} c6 {16} 7. Ne5 {30} Nh5 {13} 8. e3
{20} Nxf4 {17} 9. exf4 {15} b6 {12} 10. g4 {18} Bg6 {18} 11. cxb6 {19}
Nxe5 {18} 12. b7 {14} Rb8 {3} 13. fxe5 {18} Rxb7 {10} 14. Be2 {16}
Rxb2 {10} 15. Qa4 {13} Qd7 {25} 16. O-O {24} Bc2 {11} 17. Rab1 {23}
Bxa4 {11} 18. Rxb2 {24} Bb5 {10} 19. Rxb5 {22} Qc7 {10} 20. Rb3 {21}
f6 {6} 21. exf6 {18} Qf4 {11}22. Rb7 {24} Bd6 {17} 0-1

And at this point GetClub resigned -- there is no defense to
23...Qxh2+. BTW, the numbers in brackets are the times per move in
seconds. Fritz8 generally took considerably less time GC did, but
still won easily. Also, it appears that using the handicap feature
disables Fritz8's opening book, so that it played an inferior opening,
yet still won.

The disabled opening book figures prominently in the next game. Here
Fritz8 was again in 1600/blitz mode (in fact it replied instantly to
every move), while I set GC at "easy" level, for which Sanny claims
2400 strength. Complete bull. Here Fritz8 played the opening so badly
that it lost a piece at move 10. Yet GetClub was unable to capitalize
on this advantage. In the resulting R+B vs R ending, it contrived to
put both its pieces out of action. Fritz8 was able to capture all
White's pawns, producing a dead drawn position.

GetClub (Easy level) vs. Fritz8 (Elo 1600 level, blitz mode): 1. e4
{0} Nf6 {0} 2. e5 {16} Nd5 {0} 3. d4 {8} e6 {0} 4. Nf3 {30} Be7 {0} 5.
c4 {124} Nb4 {0} 6. a3 {168} N4c6 {0} 7. d5 {32} exd5 {0} 8. cxd5 {30}
O-O {0} 9. Nc3 {151} d6 {0} 10. dxc6 {44} Nxc6 {0} 11. Bf4 {82} Bg4
{0} 12. Bc4 {46} Nxe5 {0} 13. Bxe5 {46} Bxf3 {0} 14. Qxf3 {39} dxe5
{0} 15. Qxb7 {57} Rb8 {0} 16. Qd5 {74} Rxb2 {0} 17. O-O {40} Qxd5 {0}
18. Nxd5 {53} Bc5 {0} 19. Ra2 {59} Rxa2 {0} 20. Bxa2 {41} c6 {0} 21.
Nb4 {36} Bxb4 {0} 22. axb4 {36} a5 {0} 23. bxa5 {73} Ra8 {0} 24. Rd1
{73} Kf8 {0} 25. Bb1 {53} Rxa5 {0} 26.Be4 {39} c5 {0} 27. f3 {31} Ke7
{0} 28. Bxh7 {114} g6 {0} 29. Rc1 {116} Ke6 {0} 30. Kf2 {74} Rb5 {0}
31. Rc4 {86} Rb2+ {0} 32. Kf1 {78} Kd5 {0} 33. Re4 {62}Rb8 {0} 34. Kf2
{116} Rh8 {0} 35. Rh4 {55} c4 {0} 36. Rh6 {96} c3 {0} 37. Ke2 {65} Rc8
{0} 38. Kd1 {52} c2+ {0} 39. Kc1 {42} Kd4 {0} 40. Rh4+ {52} Kd3 {0}
41.Rh3 {94} Ke2 {0} 42. Rh6 {162} Kf2 {0} 43. f4 {58} exf4 {0} 44. Rh4
{68} f3 {0} 45. gxf3 {182} Kxf3 {0} 46. Rb4 {110} Kg2 {0} 47. Rb7
{105} Rf8 {0} 48. Kxc2 {100} Kxh2 {0} -

Both programs played very badly here; it was painful to watch.
Fritz8 played badly in the opening, GetClub badly in the endgame. A
2400 player would have clobbered either. Clearly GetClub easy level is
no better than 1600. I may try a few more games in this handicap mode,
but only if I have nothing less boring to do.
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Old October 19th 08, 10:02 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default GetClub Chokes Big Time!

On Oct 19, 2:21*pm, wrote:
On Oct 18, 7:15*am, Sanny wrote:





On Oct 18, 1:07*pm, "Alessandro J." wrote:


On 18 Ott, 09:53, Sanny wrote:


Today again GetClub strength was doubled. So It will play twice
Stronger Game.


Now Easy Level (60 sec / move) plays as good as Rybka at (5 sec /
move).


So now I increase the rating of each level by +50.


Beginner: 2300+
Easy: 2400+
Normal: 2400+


You forgot to improve the Normal level.
This means GetClub, at 2500, is now a GM !!
Congrats !!


The new Rating of GetClub Levels are


Beginner: 2300+
Easy: 2400+
Normal: 2500+


* As usual, more nonsense from Sanny. As an experiment, I dumbed
Fritz8 down to Elo 1600, using the "handicap" feature. I pitted it
first against GetClub beginner level, which Sanny claims to be 2300
strength. As you can see, it performed nowhere near that well:

GetClub (Beginner level) vs. Fritz8 (Elo 1600 level, blitz mode): 1.
d4 {0} Nf6 {2} 2. c4 {18} d5 {3} 3. c5 {29} Bf5 {6} 4. Nf3 {46} Nbd7
{9} 5. Nc3 {16} e6 {8} 6. Bf4 {33} c6 {16} 7. Ne5 {30} Nh5 {13} 8. e3
{20} Nxf4 {17} 9. exf4 {15} b6 {12} 10. g4 {18} Bg6 {18} 11. cxb6 {19}
Nxe5 {18} 12. b7 {14} Rb8 {3} 13. fxe5 {18} Rxb7 {10} 14. Be2 {16}
Rxb2 {10} 15. Qa4 {13} Qd7 {25} 16. O-O {24} Bc2 {11} 17. Rab1 {23}
Bxa4 {11} 18. Rxb2 {24} Bb5 {10} 19. Rxb5 {22} Qc7 {10} 20. Rb3 {21}
f6 {6} 21. exf6 {18} Qf4 {11}22. Rb7 {24} Bd6 {17} *0-1

* And at this point GetClub resigned -- there is no defense to
23...Qxh2+. BTW, the numbers in brackets are the times per move in
seconds. Fritz8 generally took considerably less time GC did, but
still won easily. Also, it appears that using the handicap feature
disables Fritz8's opening book, so that it played an inferior opening,
yet still won.

* The disabled opening book figures prominently in the next game. Here
Fritz8 was again in 1600/blitz mode (in fact it replied instantly to
every move), while I set GC at "easy" level, for which Sanny claims
2400 strength. Complete bull. Here Fritz8 played the opening so badly
that it lost a piece at move 10. Yet GetClub was unable to capitalize
on this advantage. In the resulting R+B vs R ending, it contrived to
put both its pieces out of action. Fritz8 was able to capture all
White's pawns, producing a dead drawn position.

GetClub (Easy level) vs. Fritz8 (Elo 1600 level, blitz mode): 1. e4
{0} Nf6 {0} 2. e5 {16} Nd5 {0} 3. d4 {8} e6 {0} 4. Nf3 {30} Be7 {0} 5.
c4 {124} Nb4 {0} 6. a3 {168} N4c6 {0} 7. d5 {32} exd5 {0} 8. cxd5 {30}
O-O {0} 9. Nc3 {151} d6 {0} 10. dxc6 {44} Nxc6 {0} 11. Bf4 {82} Bg4
{0} 12. Bc4 {46} Nxe5 {0} 13. Bxe5 {46} Bxf3 {0} 14. Qxf3 {39} dxe5
{0} 15. Qxb7 {57} Rb8 {0} 16. Qd5 {74} Rxb2 {0} 17. O-O {40} Qxd5 {0}
18. Nxd5 {53} Bc5 {0} 19. Ra2 {59} Rxa2 {0} 20. Bxa2 {41} c6 {0} 21.
Nb4 {36} Bxb4 {0} 22. axb4 {36} a5 {0} 23. bxa5 {73} Ra8 {0} 24. Rd1
{73} Kf8 {0} 25. Bb1 {53} Rxa5 {0} 26.Be4 {39} c5 {0} 27. f3 {31} Ke7
{0} 28. Bxh7 {114} g6 {0} 29. Rc1 {116} Ke6 {0} 30. Kf2 {74} Rb5 {0}
31. Rc4 {86} Rb2+ {0} 32. Kf1 {78} Kd5 {0} 33. Re4 {62}Rb8 {0} 34. Kf2
{116} Rh8 {0} 35. Rh4 {55} c4 {0} 36. Rh6 {96} c3 {0} 37. Ke2 {65} Rc8
{0} 38. Kd1 {52} c2+ {0} 39. Kc1 {42} Kd4 {0} 40. Rh4+ {52} Kd3 {0}
41.Rh3 {94} Ke2 {0} 42. Rh6 {162} Kf2 {0} 43. f4 {58} exf4 {0} 44. Rh4
{68} f3 {0} 45. gxf3 {182} Kxf3 {0} 46. Rb4 {110} Kg2 {0} 47. Rb7
{105} Rf8 {0} 48. Kxc2 {100} Kxh2 {0} *-

* Both programs played very badly here; it was painful to watch.
Fritz8 played badly in the opening, GetClub badly in the endgame. A
2400 player would have clobbered either. Clearly GetClub easy level is
no better than 1600. I may try a few more games in this handicap mode,
but only if I have nothing less boring to do.


I went back, intending to start a new game, but GetClub insisted on
playing on in the theoretically drawn position after Black's 48th move
above. Whaddya know: GetClub managed to lose! It could have easily
forced a draw, but instead it farted around until it was in danger of
losing its long-trapped bishop. It gave up the bishop for one pawn,
which gave Fritz8 an easily won Lucena type of endgame, with rook and
g-pawn against rook.
So the program Sanny claims is 2400 strength, chokes against a
dumbed-down Fritz8 set at Elo 1600. What a travesty, and what a clear
refutation of Sanny's ridiculous claims (as if we really needed any
more).

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.c4 Nb4 6.a3 N4c6 7.d5 exd5
8.cxd5 00 9.Nc3 d6 10.dxc6 Nxc6 11.Bf4 Bg4 12.Bc4 Nxe5 13.Bxe5 Bxf3
14.Qxf3 dxe5 15.Qxb7 Rb8 16.Qd5 Rxb2 17.00 Qxd5 18.Nxd5 Bc5 19.Ra2
Rxa2 20.Bxa2 c6 21.Nb4 Bxb4 22.axb4 a5 23.bxa5 Ra8 24.Rd1 Kf8 25.Bb1
Rxa5 26.Be4 c5 27.f3 Ke7 28.Bxh7 g6 29.Rc1 Ke6 30.Kf2 Rb5 31.Rc4 Rb2+
32.Kf1 Kd5 33.Re4 Rb8 34.Kf2 Rh8 35.Rh4 c4 36.Rh6 c3 37.Ke2 Rc8 38.Kd1
c2+ 39.Kc1 Kd4 40.Rh4+ Kd3 41.Rh3 Ke2 42.Rh6 Kf2 43.f4 exf4 44.Rh4 f3
45.gxf3 Kxf3 46.Rb4 Kg2 47.Rb7 Rf8 48.Kxc2 Kxh2 49.Rc7 Kg3 50.Rc3+ Kg4
51.Bxg6 fxg6 52.Rc6 g5 53.Rg6 Kh4 54.Rh6+ Kg3 55.Rg6 g4 56.Rg7 Kf3
57.Re7 g3 58.Re1 g2 59.Rg1 Rh8 60.Rxg2 Kxg2 61.Kb3 Kf2 62.Kc4 Rh5
63.Kc3 Ke3 64.Kb4 Kd3 01
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Default GetClub Chokes Big Time!

Easy level is quite strong for the first time Fritz took 64 moves to
win the easy level. and the game was much like Drawn at 48th move.

In this game GetClub would have won but its Bishop got trapped by the
two pawns.

I remember 5 months back fritz used to win in just 25 moves

I have taught GetClub nothing about End Game. I think now is the time
to teach it End Game. as its Middle game is very strong now.

GetClub only knows how to play middle game and it got a extra Bishop
in middle game.

I am glad Taylor Kingston gave "White Pieces" to GetClub. I find other
players give Black and show their win.

I wish GetClub is always given the "White Pieces".

Here is the game with time taken by each player.

Game Played between Fritz8 and easy at GetClub.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fritz8: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...236&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(easy) -- (Fritz8)

1. e2-e4{0} Ng8-f6{56}
2. e4-e5{0} Nf6-d5{8}
3. d2-d4{0} e7-e6{10}
4. Ng1-f3{48} Bf8-e7{10}
5. c2-c4{114} Nd5-b4{12}
6. a2-a3{122} Nb4-c6{44}
7. d4-d5{20} e6-d5{10}
8. c4-d5{20} Ke8-g8{16}
9. Nb1-c3{130} d7-d6{12}
10. d5-c6{26} Nb8-c6{16}
11. Bc1-f4{70} Bc8-g4{10}
12. Bf1-c4{32} Nc6-e5{14}
13. Bf4-e5{32} Bg4-f3{14}
14. Qd1-f3{22} d6-e5{10}
15. Qf3-b7{42} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb7-d5{60} Rb8-b2{14}
17. Ke1-g1{26} Qd8-d5{14}
18. Nc3-d5{38} Be7-c5{16}
19. Ra1-a2{44} Rb2-a2{16}
20. Bc4-a2{24} c7-c6{12}
21. Nd5-b4{24} Bc5-b4{12}
22. a3-b4{24} a7-a5{16}
23. b4-a5{58} Rf8-a8{12}
24. Rf1-d1{60} Kg8-f8{12}
25. Ba2-b1{36} Ra8-a5{18}
26. Bb1-e4{24} c6-c5{10}
27. f2-f3{20} Kf8-e7{10}
28. Be4-h7{104} g7-g6{10}
29. Rd1-c1{102} Ke7-e6{18}
30. Kg1-f2{54} Ra5-b5{14}
31. Rc1-c4{74} Rb5-b2{14}
32. Kf2-f1{64} Ke6-d5{10}
33. Rc4-e4{50} Rb2-b8{12}
34. Kf1-f2{102} Rb8-h8{14}
35. Re4-h4{36} c5-c4{20}
36. Rh4-h6{82} c4-c3{14}
37. Kf2-e2{46} Rh8-c8{20}
38. Ke2-d1{38} c3-c2{12}
39. Kd1-c1{28} Kd5-d4{12}
40. Rh6-h4{42} Kd4-d3{12}
41. Rh4-h3{82} Kd3-e2{14}
42. Rh3-h6{146} Ke2-f2{14}
43. f3-f4{42} e5-f4{16}
44. Rh6-h4{50} f4-f3{18}
45. g2-f3{160} Kf2-f3{12}
46. Rh4-b4{94} Kf3-g2{14}
47. Rb4-b7{84} Rc8-f8{20}
48. Kc1-c2{84} Kg2-h2{10}
49. Rb7-c7{90} Kh2-g3{28}
50. Rc7-c3{68} Kg3-g4{18}
51. Bh7-g6{56} f7-g6{16}
52. Rc3-c6{106} g6-g5{26}
53. Rc6-g6{44} Kg4-h4{10}
54. Rg6-h6{92} Kh4-g3{14}
55. Rh6-g6{322} g5-g4{26}
56. Rg6-g7{52} Kg3-f3{24}
57. Rg7-e7{218} g4-g3{16}
58. Re7-e1{82} g3-g2{18}
59. Re1-g1{44} Rf8-h8{16}
60. Rg1-g2{34} Kf3-g2{14}
61. Kc2-b3{52} Kg2-f2{10}
62. Kb3-c4{52} Rh8-h5{10}
63. Kc4-c3{82} Kf2-e3{16}
64. Kc3-b4{62} Ke3-d3{10}
65. Kb4-b3{0}
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fritz8: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...236&game=Chess

This game Fritz played very badly giving its knight for a pawn. But in
end game GetClub's Bishop got trapped by 2 pawns So the game got
equal. After the Bishop got kiled Fritz was a pawn up.

Fritz got a extra pawn So GetClub had to sacrifice its Rook for a pawn
leading to loss.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Default GetClub Chokes Big Time!

On Oct 20, 1:30*am, Sanny wrote:
Easy level is quite strong for the first time Fritz took 64 moves to
win the easy level. and the game was much like Drawn at 48th move.


In this game GetClub would have won but its Bishop got trapped by the
two pawns.


Any decent player knows that taking a rook pawn with a bishop is a
bad idea when the bishop can be trapped. GetClub let the bishop be
trapped, then just left it there without making any effort to free it,
which it could have done at several points. Very poor play.

I remember 5 months back fritz used to win in just 25 moves


Sanny, you're forgetting that this was a *_dumbed-down_* version of
Fritz. I deliberate set it at Elo 1600 level, making it play well
below its full strength. At full strength, Fritz8 beats GetClub like a
rented mule.

I have taught GetClub nothing about End Game. I think now is the time
to teach it End Game. as its Middle game is very strong now.


GetClub is also weak in the middle game. It had no idea of how to
use its material advantage there, and played aimlessly and badly.

GetClub only knows how to play middle game and it got a extra Bishop
in middle game.


No, it won the extra piece because of Fritz8's poor opening play. In
the middle game GetClub got nowhere, and in the ending it lost a
theoretically drawn game.

I am glad Taylor Kingston gave "White Pieces" to GetClub. I find other
players give Black and show their win.


Just taking away one of your excuses, Sanny. You love to make up all
sorts of silly excuses for GetClub losing; when it plays White you
have one less. I suppose you'll blame this one on the phases of the
moon or the political situation in Latin America.

The plain fact, Sanny, is that your program is nowhere near as good
as you claim. You should do the honorable thing -- admit that the
ratings you claim for GetClub are nonsense, and quit spamming these
groups.

I wish GetClub is always given the "White Pieces".

Here is the game with time taken by each player.

Game Played between Fritz8 and easy at GetClub.com

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
Fritz8: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...236&game=Chess
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

White -- Black
(easy) -- (Fritz8) -- set at Elo 1600 strength

1. e2-e4{0} Ng8-f6{56}
2. e4-e5{0} Nf6-d5{8}
3. d2-d4{0} e7-e6{10}
4. Ng1-f3{48} Bf8-e7{10}
5. c2-c4{114} Nd5-b4{12}
6. a2-a3{122} Nb4-c6{44}
7. d4-d5{20} e6-d5{10}
8. c4-d5{20} Ke8-g8{16}
9. Nb1-c3{130} d7-d6{12}
10. d5-c6{26} Nb8-c6{16}
11. Bc1-f4{70} Bc8-g4{10}
12. Bf1-c4{32} Nc6-e5{14}
13. Bf4-e5{32} Bg4-f3{14}
14. Qd1-f3{22} d6-e5{10}
15. Qf3-b7{42} Ra8-b8{16}
16. Qb7-d5{60} Rb8-b2{14}
17. Ke1-g1{26} Qd8-d5{14}
18. Nc3-d5{38} Be7-c5{16}
19. Ra1-a2{44} Rb2-a2{16}
20. Bc4-a2{24} c7-c6{12}
21. Nd5-b4{24} Bc5-b4{12}
22. a3-b4{24} a7-a5{16}
23. b4-a5{58} Rf8-a8{12}
24. Rf1-d1{60} Kg8-f8{12}
25. Ba2-b1{36} Ra8-a5{18}
26. Bb1-e4{24} c6-c5{10}
27. f2-f3{20} Kf8-e7{10}
28. Be4-h7{104} g7-g6{10}
29. Rd1-c1{102} Ke7-e6{18}
30. Kg1-f2{54} Ra5-b5{14}
31. Rc1-c4{74} Rb5-b2{14}
32. Kf2-f1{64} Ke6-d5{10}
33. Rc4-e4{50} Rb2-b8{12}
34. Kf1-f2{102} Rb8-h8{14}
35. Re4-h4{36} c5-c4{20}
36. Rh4-h6{82} c4-c3{14}
37. Kf2-e2{46} Rh8-c8{20}
38. Ke2-d1{38} c3-c2{12}
39. Kd1-c1{28} Kd5-d4{12}
40. Rh6-h4{42} Kd4-d3{12}
41. Rh4-h3{82} Kd3-e2{14}
42. Rh3-h6{146} Ke2-f2{14}
43. f3-f4{42} e5-f4{16}
44. Rh6-h4{50} f4-f3{18}
45. g2-f3{160} Kf2-f3{12}
46. Rh4-b4{94} Kf3-g2{14}
47. Rb4-b7{84} Rc8-f8{20}
48. Kc1-c2{84} Kg2-h2{10}
49. Rb7-c7{90} Kh2-g3{28}
50. Rc7-c3{68} Kg3-g4{18}
51. Bh7-g6{56} f7-g6{16}
52. Rc3-c6{106} g6-g5{26}
53. Rc6-g6{44} Kg4-h4{10}
54. Rg6-h6{92} Kh4-g3{14}
55. Rh6-g6{322} g5-g4{26}
56. Rg6-g7{52} Kg3-f3{24}
57. Rg7-e7{218} g4-g3{16}
58. Re7-e1{82} g3-g2{18}
59. Re1-g1{44} Rf8-h8{16}
60. Rg1-g2{34} Kf3-g2{14}
61. Kc2-b3{52} Kg2-f2{10}
62. Kb3-c4{52} Rh8-h5{10}
63. Kc4-c3{82} Kf2-e3{16}
64. Kc3-b4{62} Ke3-d3{10}
65. Kb4-b3{0}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
*Fritz8: (Black)
easy: (White)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...236&game=Chess

This game Fritz played very badly giving its knight for a pawn. But in
end game GetClub's Bishop got trapped by 2 pawns So the game got
equal. After the Bishop got kiled Fritz was a pawn up.

Fritz got a extra pawn So GetClub had to sacrifice its Rook for a pawn
leading to loss.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


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Easy level is quite strong for the first time Fritz took 64 moves to
win the easy level. and the game was much like Drawn at 48th move.


In this gameGetClubwould have won but its Bishop got trapped by the
two pawns.


* Any decent player knows that taking a rook pawn with a bishop is a
bad idea when the bishop can be trapped.GetClublet the bishop be
trapped, then just left it there without making any effort to free it,
which it could have done at several points. Very poor play.


It took Pawn on 28th move. and It lost Bishop in 51st move.

So a difference of 23 moves. Or after 46 ply the Bishop got killed.

GetClub was thinking 14 ply and found a benefit of pawn. And till 46
ply the Bishop was safe.

The move of Bishop taking pawn give +1 point to GetClub.

Should I teach GetClub to never take a7 and h7 pawns? even if there is
no danger of Bishop getting killed?

There was no place for bishop to go.

I remember 5 months back fritz used to win in just 25 moves


* Sanny, you're forgetting that this was a *_dumbed-down_* version of
Fritz. I deliberate set it at Elo 1600 level, making it play well
below its full strength. At full strength, Fritz8 beatsGetClublike a
rented mule.


Play a game with Full version without reducing to 1600. Make it 2300
and see what happens. I read somewhere that Fritz can give your rating
after playing a few games. Is it true? Can Fritz give accurate rating
of GetClub.


GetClubonly knows how to play middle game and it got a extra Bishop
in middle game.


* No, it won the extra piece because of Fritz8's poor opening play. In
the middle gameGetClubgot nowhere, and in the ending it lost a
theoretically drawn game.


Let me see more games. We cant say anything by looking 1-2 games.

I am glad Taylor Kingston gave "White Pieces" toGetClub. I find other
players give Black and show their win.


* Just taking away one of your excuses, Sanny. You love to make up all
sorts of silly excuses forGetClublosing; when it plays White you
have one less. I suppose you'll blame this one on the phases of the
moon or the political situation in Latin America.


Moon cause Tides and Tides causes waves. Help Bot is absent from this
group. I think he lost a lot of money in stocks. He was saying he sold
wrong stocks while playing Chess at GetClub. I think thats the reasion
he has stopped playing Chess and writing to newsgroup.

By selling wrong Stocks Help Bot may have lost a lot of money. May be
he is very sad and in trouble. I wrote a mail to him but got no
reply. Does anyone knows what happened to Help Bot? He was the best
player at GetClub. And always helped me develop Chess better.

Without Help Bot I feel a lot alone.

* The plain fact, Sanny, is that your program is nowhere near as good
as you claim. You should do the honorable thing -- admit that the
ratings you claim for GetClub are nonsense


I read somewhere that Fritz can give your rating after playing a few
games. Is it true? Can Fritz give accurate rating of GetClub.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


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Default GetClub Chokes Big Time!

On Oct 20, 10:46*am, Sanny wrote:
Easy level is quite strong for the first time Fritz took 64 moves to
win the easy level. and the game was much like Drawn at 48th move.


In this gameGetClubwould have won but its Bishop got trapped by the
two pawns.


* Any decent player knows that taking a rook pawn with a bishop is a
bad idea when the bishop can be trapped.GetClub let the bishop be
trapped, then just left it there without making any effort to free it,
which it could have done at several points. Very poor play.


It took Pawn on 28th move. and It lost Bishop in 51st move.

So a difference of 23 moves.


Exactly my point. It just left the bishop sitting there for ages,
instead of freeing it by, say, h2-h4-h5, which it could have done at
almost any time within those 23 moves. What it did was like putting
one's head under an axe, and just leaving it there waiting for the axe
to fall. And while the bishop was sitting on its ass, Fritz8 was busy
capturing all your remaining pawns, making it impossible for GetClub
to win even with an extra piece.

The move of Bishop taking pawn give +1 point to GetClub.


That is not a correct evaluation. Rook pawns (a- and h-pawns) are
the least valuable men on the board. In most positions they are worth
about half as much as other pawns, at best. Furthermore the program
needs to factor in the loss of mobility for the bishop. As long as it
is stuck on h7, it is worth even less than the pawn it took, even if
it is not in immediate danger of being captured itself.

Should I teach GetClub to never take a7 and h7 pawns? even if there is
no danger of Bishop getting killed?


No. If the bishop can be extricated, then taking the pawn would
probably be OK, assuming there's no better move available.
And quit saying "killed" when you mean captured. It will be one less
way of showing your chess ignorance.

There was no place for bishop to go.


Exactly my point. And it just left the bishop there, rather than try
to free it. A bishop that can't move is worthless, basicaly just a
"big pawn," if even that.

I remember 5 months back fritz used to win in just 25 moves


* Sanny, you're forgetting that this was a *_dumbed-down_* version of
Fritz. I deliberate set it at Elo 1600 level, making it play well
below its full strength. At full strength, Fritz8 beatsGetClublike a
rented mule.


Play a game with Full version without reducing to 1600. Make it 2300
and see what happens.


Get Fritz yourself and do your own work.

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