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Old November 11th 08, 06:41 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Please analyze this game. What were the wrong moves by Beginner Level?

Average Time Beginner took: 6 sec / move
Average Time Taylor Kingston took: 48 sec / move

So Taylor Kinsgton was taking 8 times more time in making his moves.

Good thing was Taylor Kinsgton was able to win the game in just 30
moves.

Beginner played 14 out of 30 moves in Zero Seconds. So It was a quick
game.

Total time be Beginner: 3 min.
Total time by Taylor Kingston: 24 min.

Yesterday Phil_in win one game against Beginner while lost the other
game. So to conclude now Beginner is giving good competition to strong
players.

Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
itself plays so well.

Game Played between 8th Man and beginner at GetClub.com

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Taylor Kingston: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...451&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(beginner) -- (Taylor Kingston)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{4}
2. Ng1-f3{0} g7-g6{4}
3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{4}
4. Nf3-d4{0} Bf8-g7{14}
5. Nb1-c3{12} Nb8-c6{10}
6. Bc1-e3{12} Ng8-f6{128}
7. Nd4-c6{0} b7-c6{70}
8. Bf1-c4{16} Ke8-g8{70}
9. Ke1-g1{12} Nf6-e4{222}
10. Nc3-e4{0} d7-d5{4}
11. Ne4-g5{18} d5-c4{180}
12. Qd1-d8{0} Rf8-d8{6}
13. c2-c3{8} Bc8-f5{86}
14. Rf1-e1{14} Ra8-b8{58}
15. Be3-d4{0} Rd8-d4{102}
16. c3-d4{10} Bg7-d4{4}
17. Ra1-d1{6} Bd4-b2{26}
18. Re1-e7{22} Bb2-f6{18}
19. Re7-f7{6} Bf6-g5{18}
20. Rf7-c7{0} c4-c3{26}
21. Rd1-f1{20} c3-c2{26}
22. Rc7-c6{0} Rb8-b1{28}
23. g2-g4{6} Bf5-d3{36}
24. Rc6-c2{0} Bd3-f1{36}
25. Rc2-c8{6} Kg8-f7{18}
26. Rc8-c7{6} Kf7-e6{58}
27. f2-f4{0} Bg5-h4{30}
28. h2-h3{8} Bh4-g3{76}
29. f4-f5{0} Ke6-d6{18}
30. Kg1-f1{2}
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Taylor Kingston: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...451&game=Chess

What were the mistake in the above game? Was there any blunder in by
Beginner Level.

I saw computer analysis and found First 10 moves were Opening moves.
So Beginner played correct Opening. Still it lost.

In the end Beginner was having Rook for 2 Bishops. And has to give its
Rook for the Advancing pawn.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html




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Old November 11th 08, 11:07 AM posted to rec.games.chess.computer
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Default Game with Taylor Kingston.

Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
itself plays so well.


And you base that conclusion on... what? I'm not saying you're wrong or
anything, but it comes across that you just pulled that conclusion out of
the air.

Even if every player played only beginner, you can't assume it's because
beginner plays so well. There could be a number of reasons. Did you ask them
all why they don't play with easy level? Did they answer?

Again, I'm not claiming your conclusion is wrong, it's just this seems to be
one of the things that annoys many people about some of your postings. That
you draw a conclusion because it puts you in better light rather than
because you have hard facts to base the conclusion on. And 100% of people
playing beginner does not necessarily mean it's because "beginner itself
plays so well", it may be the reason but that doesn't make it fact.

ave


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Old November 11th 08, 11:41 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Game with Taylor Kingston.

On Nov 11, 6:41*am, Sanny wrote:
Please analyze this game. What were the wrong moves by Beginner Level?


Moves 11 through 20 inclusive and after that it was a totally lost
game.

Average Time Beginner took: 6 sec / move
Average Time Taylor Kingston took: 48 sec / move

So Taylor Kinsgton was taking 8 times more time in making his moves.

Good thing was Taylor Kinsgton was able to win the game in just 30
moves.

Beginner played 14 out of 30 moves in Zero Seconds. So It was a quick
game.

Total time be Beginner: 3 min.
Total time by Taylor Kingston: 24 min.

He has the patience of a saint.

Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
itself plays so well.


It seems to be playing worse than it did a few months back. None of
the moves it played from move 11 onwards were particularly good. Its
demise was basically inevitable.

11. Ne4-g5{18} d5-c4{180}


The famous Ng5 move which does nothing much. Nc5 might have been
playable.
Bd3, Bc5, Qe2 or Qf3 all look OK.

12. Qd1-d8{0} Rf8-d8{6}


Oh dear. Basic material rule you don't swap off major pieces when you
are behind. Getclub failed to see into the exchange. c3 would be the
obvious move.

13. c2-c3{8} Bc8-f5{86}


I think 13. ... Rb8 would finish the game sooner.

14. Rf1-e1{14} Ra8-b8{58}


Again this is dire. f3, f4 or Nf3 all plausible.

15. Be3-d4{0} Rd8-d4{102}


Again fails to see that another pawn will fall in the exchange
sequence.
Taylor sets a trap with RxB (BXB would be more likely against a strong
player).

16. c3-d4{10} Bg7-d4{4}
17. Ra1-d1{6} Bd4-b2{26}


17. g4 is whites only half decent line now.

18. Re1-e7{22} Bb2-f6{18}


Suicidal since it sets up the knight to die. Rxa7 would be less bad.
but either way with a bishop pair and the passed pawns on the c file
black has total control.

19. Re7-f7{6} Bf6-g5{18}


And another one bites the dust.

20. Rf7-c7{0} c4-c3{26}


Black has won convincingly. White was never in the game.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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On Nov 11, 4:07*pm, "ave" wrote:
Now the strong players are not playing with the Easy Level as Beginner
itself plays so well.


And you base that conclusion on... what? I'm not saying you're wrong or
anything, but it comes across that you just pulled that conclusion out of
the air.


1 year back all good players used to play with Master Level which used
to think 10 min / move.

After the game was improved I find them playing with Normal Level 2
min / move As the Normal Level was giving good challenge and They fear
Master may beat them.

Later after further improvements I find same players were playing with
Easy Level: 30 sec / move As now easy was as good as them and they
fear they may loose to Normal Level.

Now I find after further improvements Most players are playing with
Beginner Level 10 sec / move as now Beginner plays as good as them.
And they fear they may loose to Easy Level.

So with improvements players started choosing the lower level as the
Beginner itself is a good challenge.

I have Recorded Games as the fact. You can see the players playing the
higher levels are now playing with Beginner & Easy Levels as they
cannot beat the higher levels.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Default Game with Taylor Kingston.

One problem about playing a chess program at blitz is that the program
will make loads of moves in zero seconds. For the first 10 or so moves
the total time used by the computer will be zero seconds. When the
game nears its end the program will once more go into instantaneous
mode.


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Default Game with Taylor Kingston.

Total time be Beginner: 3 min.
Total time by Taylor Kingston: 24 min.


He has the patience of a saint.


GetClub took just 3 min for making 30 moves. While Taylor Kingston
took 24 min for his moves.

Earlier he used to play with Master Level and wait 1-2 hours / move.
Taylor Kingston has lots of patience.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Default Game with Taylor Kingston.

1 year back all good players used to play with Master Level which used
to think 10 min / move.

After the game was improved I find them playing with Normal Level 2
min / move As the Normal Level was giving good challenge and They fear
Master may beat them.


Doesn't master level take like 24 hours to make a move these days? Wouldn't
that be more of a likely reason why?

I have Recorded Games as the fact. You can see the players playing the
higher levels are now playing with Beginner & Easy Levels as they
cannot beat the higher levels.


Recording games does not make what you're claiming a 'fact', the only way
you can claim it as a fact is if you ask them all and they all say "Because
I might get beaten by the tougher level". then you can claim it as fact. If
you haven't done that, you can't.

ave


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Recording games does not make what you're claiming a 'fact', the only way
you can claim it as a fact is if you ask them all and they all say "Because
I might get beaten by the tougher level". then you can claim it as fact. If
you haven't done that, you can't.

ave


Help Bot has told me that he fear playing with higher levels as he may
loose ratings.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Help Bot has told me that he fear playing with higher levels as he may
loose ratings.


Yes, but IIRC it wasn't because he feared the higher levels would beat him.
But more due to bugs\hangs and the time investment.

Also, one person telling you that doesn't mean it's applicable to all .

ave


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Sanny wrote:
Please analyze this game. What were the wrong moves by Beginner Level?

Game Played between 8th Man and beginner at GetClub.com

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Taylor Kingston: (Black)
beginner: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...451&game=Chess
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(beginner) -- (Taylor Kingston)

1. e2-e4{2} c7-c5{4}
2. Ng1-f3{0} g7-g6{4}
3. d2-d4{0} c5-d4{4}
4. Nf3-d4{0} Bf8-g7{14}
5. Nb1-c3{12} Nb8-c6{10}
6. Bc1-e3{12} Ng8-f6{128}
7. Nd4-c6{0} b7-c6{70}
8. Bf1-c4{16} Ke8-g8{70}
9. Ke1-g1{12} Nf6-e4{222}
10. Nc3-e4{0} d7-d5{4}
11. Ne4-g5{18} d5-c4{180}


The game recorded by your website (URL above) continues

11. Pe4xd5 (illegal: there is no pawn on e4) Pc6xd5 12.Ne4-g5 (wait a
minute, there used to be a not-a-pawn on e4.

I suggest you concentrate on making you program play and record legal
games of chess before you move onto difficult things like trying to
make it play good chess.


Dave.

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