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Default Rybka vs. Ivan (at Knight Odds)

* Sanny (07:58) schrieb:

Thats what Normal Level[3 min] vs Rybka - [5 sec] will do.

Instead of fast processor I am giving 40 times more time to GetClub,
to give a decent challenge to Rybka.


Would you please explain why you do the opposite when you let play
against Jester?

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Thats what Normal Level[3 min] vs Rybka - [5 sec] will do.

Instead of fast processor I am giving 40 times more time to GetClub,
to give a decent challenge to Rybka.


Would you please explain why you do the opposite when you let play
against Jester?


Thats because I want to play against the hardest level. I do not want
GetClub to win by mistake of other program, But win by playing better
moves.

Jester usually plays bad moves at small time.

Rybka being a lot stronger. I want a game where both play equally
good.

I hope GetClub will play as good as Rybka after taking 50 times more
time.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


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* Sanny (20:11) schrieb:

Thats what Normal Level[3 min] vs Rybka - [5 sec] will do.


Instead of fast processor I am giving 40 times more time to GetClub,
to give a decent challenge to Rybka.


Would you please explain why you do the opposite when you let play
against Jester?


Thats because I want to play against the hardest level. I do not want
GetClub to win by mistake of other program, But win by playing better
moves.


So you have actually tried that, Getclub won against Jester and you
didn't tell anybody because that was too easy?

Jester usually plays bad moves at small time.


Or are you just afraid your precious Getclub will lose against a Jester
that blunders all the time?

Rybka being a lot stronger. I want a game where both play equally
good.


But losing every single game doesn't mean the both opponents play equally
good.

I hope GetClub will play as good as Rybka after taking 50 times more
time.


So you're not sure, that's an improvement.

mfg, simon .... l
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Jester usually plays bad moves at small time.

Or are you just afraid your precious Getclub will lose against a Jester
that blunders all the time?


At small time, Jester gives away Knights / Bishops sometimes for no
good reasion, Then showing a loss of 3.00 or 4.00 points.

In my last game even [ at 32 sec/ move] Jester made a simmilar
blunder.

May be there is some bug in Jester which occurs once in 200 moves.
Roughly it happens once in four games I play.

Bye
Sanny

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On 29/10/2010 19:11, Sanny wrote:
Thats what Normal Level[3 min] vs Rybka - [5 sec] will do.


Instead of fast processor I am giving 40 times more time to GetClub,
to give a decent challenge to Rybka.


Would you please explain why you do the opposite when you let play
against Jester?


Thats because I want to play against the hardest level. I do not want
GetClub to win by mistake of other program, But win by playing better
moves.


That isn't going to happen. Getclub plays appalling moves far too often.
You should be aiming to play it against an engine where on average it
can score something around 1 in 4 points during a match. That way you
can tell if an "improvement" helps of hinders.

Getting smashed to pieces every time is not very informative and the
length of a game isn't a good indicator of relative strength.

Jester usually plays bad moves at small time.


So does GetClub.

Rybka being a lot stronger. I want a game where both play equally
good.

I hope GetClub will play as good as Rybka after taking 50 times more
time.


You hope in vain. Try 5000x time and possibly much more. I reckon Rybka
would just about beat GetClub if it were given around 10s thinking time
for the entire game (~0.2s/move). There are plenty of free engines. Why
don't you download one of about the same strength as GetClub from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_engine

Micro-Max open source minimalist engine 1433 bytes of C might be a good
place to start - lets see if you can beat that before trying anything
harder. Based on how badly it shaped after Jester gifted it a win I do
not expect it to be able to win from a winning position against another
chess engine of roughly equal playing strength.

Regards,
Martin Brown


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On Oct 30, 1:54*am, Martin Brown
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Micro-Max open source minimalist engine 1433 bytes of C might be a good
place to start


Actually, it is a whole series of beautiful programs, see:

http://home.hccnet.nl/h.g.muller/dwnldpage.html

These small devils play surprisingly well and fast. Furthermore,
one may modify somewhat the value of the variable responsible
for the playing speed of the program, so that it will play a bit
slower (still impressively fast) but quire a bit stronger.

- lets see if you can beat that [...]


:-) :-) :-)

The GetNowhereClub has two club feet, thus there is no way
for it to get anywhere. It has no chanchess against Micro-Max.

Wlod

PS. Making up new words is my pleasure. Indeed,
I like my neologism "chanchess", as in: these
days Topalov has no chanchess against Karjakin.
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On 30 Oct, 11:47, "Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Wlod)"
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On Oct 30, 1:54*am, Martin Brown
wrote:



Micro-Max open source minimalist engine 1433 bytes of C might be a good
place to start


Actually, it is a whole series of beautiful programs, see:

*http://home.hccnet.nl/h.g.muller/dwnldpage.html

These small devils play surprisingly well and fast. Furthermore,
one may modify somewhat the value of the variable responsible
for the playing speed of the program, so that it will play a bit
slower (still impressively fast) but quire a bit stronger.

- lets see if you can beat that [...]


* * * * * * * * * * * :-) :-) :-)

The GetNowhereClub has two club feet, thus there is no way
for it to get anywhere. It has no chanchess against Micro-Max.

* * Wlod

PS. Making up new words is my pleasure. Indeed,
I like my neologism "chanchess", as in: these
days Topalov has no chanchess against Karjakin.


FWIW I specialise in playing "no chanchess".

Mark
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