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Old May 26th 07, 06:39 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess
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Originally Posted by Harry Payne
One of the strongest supporters of scholastic
chess for thirty plus years is already on the board and running for
reelection. Going back to the late 70's . One of the greatest youth
tournaments ever held, was at the Marian College in Fond Du Lac,
Wisconsin, The World youth Championships, July of 1990. Don Shultz,
Carol Jarecki, and I believe a local Organizer Mike Nietman. Don
Shultz was responsible for getting the whole thing started. I believe
that was the first time Judith Polgar played here, she won the under
14 Championship. Lynn Hamrick (a movie producer) she filmed the
entire tournament for her movie Chess Kids. This is but one of many
great things Don has done for scholastics and is still doing. The
flash and pomp is not what gets things done, its the hard work and
effort. Don didn,t just show up for the cameras, and publicity
shots ,He started ,stayed and finished the job.

Thank you Don Shultz
in love of the game.
Harry Payne
I agree and thank you for pointing this out. Don Schultz was a big
organizer and supporter of scholastic chess BEFORE the big bucks came
in and before there was money to be made from scholastic chess.

Also, Bill Goichberg virtually invented scholastic chess because he
was the first to hold USCF rated scholastic tournaments. Many of our
top players today got their start playing in Goichberg scholastic
tournaments.

Even today, Goichberg probably holds more scholastic events than
almost any other organizer.

If the truth be told, many of our scholastic organizers today are in
it not to "SAVE THE CHILDREN" but because there is "MORE MONEY" in
scholastic chess than in adult chess mainly because cash prizes are
not awarded.

Sam Sloan

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Has Don Shultz or Bill Goichberg over their long involvement with US Chess:-

a) improved the /quality/ of scholastic experience of playing chess
b) the absolute number of scholastic players
c) the retention rate of scholastic players
d) achieved anything to do with USCF's mission, which is to take chess to
the mainstream in terms of, for example, incorporating chess with academic
studies in schools
e) is there, in effect, //anything// they acheived other than riding the
wave of the Fischer-boom 30 years ago

?????

Phil Innes


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Originally Posted by Harry Payne
One of the strongest supporters of scholastic
chess for thirty plus years is already on the board and running for
reelection. Going back to the late 70's . One of the greatest youth
tournaments ever held, was at the Marian College in Fond Du Lac,
Wisconsin, The World youth Championships, July of 1990. Don Shultz,
Carol Jarecki, and I believe a local Organizer Mike Nietman. Don
Shultz was responsible for getting the whole thing started. I believe
that was the first time Judith Polgar played here, she won the under
14 Championship. Lynn Hamrick (a movie producer) she filmed the
entire tournament for her movie Chess Kids. This is but one of many
great things Don has done for scholastics and is still doing. The
flash and pomp is not what gets things done, its the hard work and
effort. Don didn,t just show up for the cameras, and publicity
shots ,He started ,stayed and finished the job.

Thank you Don Shultz
in love of the game.
Harry Payne

I agree and thank you for pointing this out. Don Schultz was a big
organizer and supporter of scholastic chess BEFORE the big bucks came
in and before there was money to be made from scholastic chess.

Also, Bill Goichberg virtually invented scholastic chess because he
was the first to hold USCF rated scholastic tournaments. Many of our
top players today got their start playing in Goichberg scholastic
tournaments.

Even today, Goichberg probably holds more scholastic events than
almost any other organizer.

If the truth be told, many of our scholastic organizers today are in
it not to "SAVE THE CHILDREN" but because there is "MORE MONEY" in
scholastic chess than in adult chess mainly because cash prizes are
not awarded.

Sam Sloan



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On 26 May 2007 10:39:00 -0700, samsloan wrote:

...there is "MORE MONEY" in
scholastic chess than in adult chess mainly because cash prizes are
not awarded.


I think you're right about the money, but wrong about the reason, Sam.

Potentially, at least, there's more money in U.S. scholastic chess
because that's the conduit to local, state, and federal money. A
formally recognized chess program in the schools will lead to paid
instructors and coaches, and money to support team activities. This
implies funding at the college level for training those primary and
secondary school instructors and coaches, as well as for college
coaches and instructors. And some agency will be required for
professional certification and testing.

Salaries remain to be negotiated, but parity with other minor sports
seems reasonable. The number of positions which might be created
dwarfs anything yet seen in American chess, and the sum total of
money available is enormous.

Once this tax-funded spigot is opened, the stream of money will keep
flowing indefinitely, subject to the usual ebb and flow of money for
education. Less need to snivel at tech millionaires' tables for
money, although foundation grants will doubtlessly be forthcoming.

And the adult-oriented USCF may lose relevance. What percentage of
high school footballers, basketball players, baseball players, etc.
play as adults? I mean, there *are* adult amateur leagues and a tiny,
tiny, number of slots in the pros, but activity in these sports
generally terminates with the end of one's formal education.
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On May 26, 1:39 pm, samsloan wrote:


If the truth be told, many of our scholastic organizers today are in
it not to "SAVE THE CHILDREN" but because there is "MORE MONEY" in
scholastic chess than in adult chess mainly because cash prizes are
not awarded.


That is a non sequitur. Clearly, it does not automatically
follow that non-cash prizes are inherently more (or less)
profitable than cash prizes. It would seem to make more
sense to conclude that entry fees are excessive at such
events, thus rendering them more profitable to organizers.
A trophy might cost $10, but if only one in ten children
wins a trophy, that means the cost per child is only a
dollar; compare this to cash prize adult tourneys, where
it is expected that the "return" to entrants will be far, far
greater.

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