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Andrei Sokolov lost to Karpov 4-0 with 7 draws in 1986. Tony Miles lost 5-0 with one draw to Kasparov also in 1986. Both players seemed to have their ambition sucked out of them by these losses.

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On 19/08/15 10:27, Offramp wrote:
Andrei Sokolov lost to Karpov 4-0 with 7 draws in 1986. Tony Miles
lost 5-0 with one draw to Kasparov also in 1986. Both players seemed
to have their ambition sucked out of them by these losses.
I'm sure there are others...


Taimanov and Larsen come to mind. But perhaps getting as far
as a match with K,K,F was as far as their realistic ambition [except
perhaps Larsen] went? It's not unusual for a player to have one or
two events where they play well above their normal ability and then
fall back into relative obscurity. It happens [eg] in tennis and
golf majors in much the same way -- the 13th seed gets through to
the final, comes up against a top seed and either pulls off the win
of a lifetime, or is beaten heroically after serving for the match,
or fails ignominiously in a one-sided match, and then sinks back
into relative obscurity.

IOW, I'm not convinced they lost their ambition so much as
achieved it.

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Andy Walker,
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Offramp wrote:

Andrei Sokolov lost to Karpov 4-0 with 7 draws in 1986. Tony Miles lost 5-0 with one draw to Kasparov also in 1986. Both players seemed to have their ambition sucked out of them by these losses.

I'm sure there are others...


Ivanchuk - Yudasin. Ivanchuk won 5.5 to 0.5. He was up 5 - 0 after 5 games and offered a draw to Yudasin in a winning position in the 6th game. Never heard from Yudasin again and he was a good
player too.

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On Friday, 21 August 2015 01:11:28 UTC+1, Euclides Zoto wrote:

Ivanchuk - Yudasin. Ivanchuk won 5.5 to 0.5. He was up 5 - 0 after 5 games and offered a draw to Yudasin in a winning position in the 6th game. Never heard from Yudasin again and he was a good
player too.


That's a good one. Mark Weeks says it was 4-0 after 4 games and ended up 4.5-0.5, but whatever, Yudasin was not the same player afterwards. I read that he is now a bearded Orthodox Jew in New York. Apparently he is allowed to play chess on the sabbath but he is not allowed to keep a game score - so if he wants to claim a repetition or a 50-move draw, he is fakakta.
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On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 5:28:00 PM UTC+8, Offramp wrote:
Andrei Sokolov lost to Karpov 4-0 with 7 draws in 1986. Tony Miles lost 5-0 with one draw to Kasparov also in 1986. Both players seemed to have their ambition sucked out of them by these losses.

I'm sure there are others...


Mike Adams, UK IGM, lost to some dude from Kazakstan, when he should have won the match and become Fide world champ, and Adams drifted to mediocre-cy, scarcely to be heard from again. His beater, Mr. K, opened a school in his home country and is well loved there to this day, with even his own post stamp.

True, true, I read it on Bill Wall's page.

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