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Default Lasker Schlechter +2 clause.

This is a note, in fine print, at http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=54100

"Since the final conditions for the match have never been published, there are rumors that Schlechter had to win the match by a score of +2 to become world champion. A +2 clause existed in the conditions issued by both players on 3 December 1908 (Wiener Schachzeitung, December 1908, p. 376. In ANNO / Österreichische Nationalbibliothek). In addition, when communicating his terms to his challenger Jose Raul Capablanca in The Evening Post of 22 November 1911, the second clause determined that if the match ended with the scores 1:0, 2:1 or 3:2, the match was to be declared drawn (reproduced in Edward G Winter, Capablanca: a compendium of games, notes, articles, correspondence, illustrations and other rare materials on the Cuban chess genius José Raúl Capablanca, 1888-1942 (McFarland 1989), p.56). After Capablanca's protest, Lasker explained that a difference of one point was very slight and that the rule was directed against the hopes of nursing a one point lead to match victory by drawing the rest of the games. A score of 4:3 with 23 draws would establish proof of severe fighting and suffice for a match win (clause 2, reproduced in Winter, Capablanca, p.60). In both cases, with explicit +2 clauses demanded, the matches could last up to 30 games. The present match consisted of 10 games only, which makes a comparison doubtful. We know of no contemporaneous source claiming that there was a +2 clause in effect in the actual world championship match, except for one: Richard Forster quoted a report in the Basler Nachrichten of 20 February 1910 in C.N. 4144 by Walter Preiswerk, who was in Leipzig at that time. Preiswerk claims that Schlechter, instead of becoming world champion by drawing the tenth game, would have had to play a rematch regardless of the financing in that case. Both chessplayers, also excellent businessmen, didn't like this prospect. Winter notes that it is difficult to know quite what to make of this commentary. In C.N.s 7109 and 8222, Winter shows examples of how the alleged +2 clause is usually introduced in books, by referring to the conditions without mentioning the sources and although the final conditions have so far not been found published anywhere (Winter). An example of this type of claim is given by Garry Kasparov, who simply states that However, to all appearances, one of the points stated that to win the title the challenger had to gain an advantage of two points, and that if Schlechter were to win by one point (5½-4½) the match would be declared... drawn. (Garry Kasparov, On My Great Predecessors Part I, 2003, Everyman, p.173) and presenting the speculation as an established fact later (Kasparov, p.177). Winter presents a list of items on this controversial question in C.N. 7109 for everyone who is further interested in the topic. When researching the matter, we found no indication that such a clause existed. Neither Schlechter, nor Lasker explain the challenger's enterprising play in game 10 by a +2 clause (sources 11 and 18). The annotators of game 10 also don't mention it (source 16), and source 8 noted that the winner would be he who scored the most points. Still, as long as the final conditions are not known, this matter remains open for debate."
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The history of this match is well known but I don't know or it is unknown as to why Schlecter would agree to such outrageous conditions for a match. It is well known that Lasker feared him but was Schlecter that confident about himself to agree to such conditions for a match?

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On 26/10/2016 05:38, Euclides Zoto wrote:

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The history of this match is well known but I don't know or it is
unknown as to why Schlecter would agree to such outrageous conditions
for a match. It is well known that Lasker feared him but was
Schlecter that confident about himself to agree to such conditions
for a match?

EZoto


How do you arrive at your opinion that the match conditions were
"outrageous"? Note that there is no evidence of a +2 clause, so we must
assume that it did not exist. Can you back up your claim that Lasker
feared Schlechter (spelling!) with facts? Lasker's observations on
Schlechter were more disparaging than fearful.

Cheers,
Rainer
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:46:56 +0200, Rainer
wrote:

How do you arrive at your opinion that the match conditions were
"outrageous"? Note that there is no evidence of a +2 clause, so we must
assume that it did not exist. Can you back up your claim that Lasker
feared Schlechter (spelling!) with facts? Lasker's observations on
Schlechter were more disparaging than fearful.


I agree. If anything was outrageous it was the match length which was
completely out of tune of what world championship matches of the day
typically were.

I recently played through those games and thought them great chess
though obviously a completely different style of play than what is the
norm in 2015-16
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