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Old March 15th 05, 07:35 PM
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Before reading this article, be aware that the BBC works closely with
both SIS (MI6) and the US CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service.

But also be aware that many of the BBC's journalists are as thick as two
short planks, and crap at 'research'.

There is absolutely no recognition in this article that the Icelandic
government recognises Bobby Fischer's status as *stateless*.

The US government has no legal entitlement to dictate to Japan regarding
the citizenship of someone who is not a Japanese citizen, and who is
recognised by the Icelandic government, who issued Fischer's current
passport, as stateless.

Fischer is a stateless, persecuted refugee and requires protection.

Those who don't recognise this article as propaganda, don't know what
'propaganda' is.

It is absolute bull**** to say that Japan always deports people to their
'home countries' as a matter of principle. The fact that the chief
immigration official actually said this (if he actually did), is
illustration of just how far the Japanese government has thrown away the
rule-book in this case, to help the US government.

Oh, and Iceland has not 'offered' him a passport - they have *issued*
him with one.

The idiot who wrote this article also seems unable to distinguish
between a 'game' and a 'match'.

They also forget to mention that what Fischer is accused of, it is
legally impossible to extradite someone for, from Japan to the US.

It's also a lie to say that Fischer 'lived undetected'. US officials
*helped* him with his passport until shortly before they decided to pull
the 'revocation' trick to 'justify' his kidnapping.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4351201.stm

***BEGIN ARTICLE***

Fischer 'must be deported to US'

Iceland has offered Mr Fischer a passport and residence rights
Japan has announced that former chess champion Bobby Fischer can only be
deported to the US and not to Iceland, as he had demanded.

People were deported to their home countries as a matter of principle, a
Japanese official said.

The chess player has already been detained for eight months near Tokyo.

He is wanted in the US for playing a game in Yugoslavia in 1992, in
spite of an international blockade imposed on the country over the
Balkan wars.

He faces a 10-year jail term in the US if found guilty of defying the
economic sanctions.

The 62-year-old is asking to be allowed to go to Iceland, a country that
has granted him a special passport for foreigners in memory of a 1972
landmark game played in the capital, Reykjavik.

Japanese opposition politicians, who claim the government is acting at
the behest of the US, have protested against Mr Fischer's lengthy
detention.

Adventurous life

But Japan's chief immigration official, Masaharu Miura, said his case
was no exception.

"The fundamental principle is that the destination of deportation is the
country of the person's nationality," he said.

And Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura denied receiving an extradition
request for Mr Fischer from the US authorities.

"I do not think the justice ministry is applying the law with special
consideration to the American side," he said.

Mr Fischer has been on the run from the US authorities for more than a
decade.

Before his detention, he had managed to live undetected in Japan for
three years, sometimes travelling abroad.

Mr Fischer became a chess grandmaster at 15, and shot to fame in 1972
when he beat Boris Spassky of the then Soviet Union.

While in detention, he has become engaged to the head of the Japan Chess
Association, Miyoko Watai, but the authorities are still studying their
marriage application.

***END ARTICLE***

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Old March 15th 05, 07:51 PM
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Mainichi Daily News
Wednesday, March 16, 2005

Democratic Party of Japan Upper House member Kazuya Shimba pointed out
that the main purpose of a deportation order is to get the person who
it is issued against out of the country.

He then asked the Justice Ministry to explain why Fischer was being
kept at taxpayer's expense in a cell at the East Japan Immigration
Bureau Detention Center in Ushiku, Ibaraki Prefecture, when he had
expressed a willingness to leave Japan at his own expense and Iceland
had said it was willing to accept him.

Miura answered only that the Immigration Law required Fischer to be
deported to his homeland, the United States.

Shimba said he felt some may see the Justice Ministry's handling of
Fischer's case as not abiding by the laws it is supposed to protect.

More on this link:
http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn...scher-0-1.html

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Old March 15th 05, 08:22 PM
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In article . com, Liam
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Mainichi Daily News
Wednesday, March 16, 2005

Democratic Party of Japan Upper House member Kazuya Shimba pointed out
that the main purpose of a deportation order is to get the person who
it is issued against out of the country.

He then asked the Justice Ministry to explain why Fischer was being
kept at taxpayer's expense in a cell at the East Japan Immigration
Bureau Detention Center in Ushiku, Ibaraki Prefecture, when he had
expressed a willingness to leave Japan at his own expense and Iceland
had said it was willing to accept him.

Miura answered only that the Immigration Law required Fischer to be
deported to his homeland, the United States.


Miura is a liar.

There is no obligation to deport someone to a territory run by a State
that is persecuting them.

Japanese immigration admitted this in December 2004 - see the following
article:

http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn...25764/Fischer-
0-14.html
or click: http://tinyurl.com/42z3w:


***BEGIN***

Bobby Fischer's fate in pen pusher's hands

2004.12.17

Incarcerated chess genius Bobby Fischer's chances of grasping the
lifeline Iceland threw to him this week essentially lie in the hands of
the head of the detention center where he is being held, Immigration
Bureau officials said Friday night.

Fischer, who has accepted Iceland's offer, can only be promptly whisked
away to freedom after nearly half a year in detention in the East Japan
Immigration Bureau Detention Center in Ushiku, Ibaraki Prefecture, if
the head honcho rubber-stamps alterations to documents currently
ordering the chess whiz to be deported to the United States.

[...]

Immigration Bureau officials concede that changing Fischer's deportation
order is possible, but only under certain conditions.

[...]

In Tokyo, Immigration Bureau spokesman Shoichiro Okabe said that under
Article 53 of the Immigration Law, nationality is the prime determining
factor on where to send a person banished from Japan.

But Okabe added that in cases where somebody would be deported to a
country where they were likely to meet danger or persecution, or their
homeland refuses to accept them, they could be shipped to another
country such as a place where they had lived before, or had been in
before arriving in Japan.

Okabe said he could not comment on individual cases, but did say that in
Fischer's case, deportation to Iceland "is not totally impossible."

[...]

***END***

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Old March 15th 05, 08:39 PM
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banana wrote:
Before reading this article, be aware that the BBC works closely with
both SIS (MI6) and the US CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service.

But also be aware that many of the BBC's journalists are as thick as two
short planks, and crap at 'research'.

There is absolutely no recognition in this article that the Icelandic
government recognises Bobby Fischer's status as *stateless*.

The US government has no legal entitlement to dictate to Japan regarding
the citizenship of someone who is not a Japanese citizen, and who is
recognised by the Icelandic government, who issued Fischer's current
passport, as stateless.

Fischer is a stateless, persecuted refugee and requires protection.

Those who don't recognise this article as propaganda, don't know what
'propaganda' is.

It is absolute bull**** to say that Japan always deports people to their
'home countries' as a matter of principle. The fact that the chief
immigration official actually said this (if he actually did), is
illustration of just how far the Japanese government has thrown away the
rule-book in this case, to help the US government.

Oh, and Iceland has not 'offered' him a passport - they have *issued*
him with one.

The idiot who wrote this article also seems unable to distinguish
between a 'game' and a 'match'.

They also forget to mention that what Fischer is accused of, it is
legally impossible to extradite someone for, from Japan to the US.

It's also a lie to say that Fischer 'lived undetected'. US officials
*helped* him with his passport until shortly before they decided to pull
the 'revocation' trick to 'justify' his kidnapping.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4351201.stm

snip

For some reason I'm not as well up on the Japanese law on this subject
as I should be. However, where do you get the idea he's 'stateless'
from? The USA clearly think he's a US citizen. Withdrawing someone's
passport doesn't necessarily mean you've stripped him of his
citizenship; the guys recently returned from Guantanamo Bay have had
their passports revoked IIRC, but no one's suggested they've lost their
British citizenship as a result of this.


Steve

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Old March 15th 05, 08:43 PM
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banana wrote:
Miura is a liar.

There is no obligation to deport someone to a territory run
by a State that is persecuting them.

Japanese immigration admitted this in December 2004 - see
the following article:

http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn...25764/Fischer-
0-14.html or click: http://tinyurl.com/42z3w:


Of course, Fischer will definitely be persecuted (and maybe prosecuted)
as soon as he is deported and entered the US. But why does the
deportation proceedings taking so long? Are they waiting perhaps for a
grand jury indictment of some kind on Fischer? This indictment will
take a long time though and I bet that it's not gonna happen in April
nor within 6 months. Japan in the meantime is breaking its own laws by
holding him for so long.

I wonder what happened to Fischer's application of the writ of habeas
corpus?



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Old March 15th 05, 08:52 PM
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:39:53 +0000, Stephen Glynn
wrote:

For some reason I'm not as well up on the Japanese law on this subject
as I should be. However, where do you get the idea he's 'stateless'
from?


He jumped through the hoops of formally renouncing his citizenship.

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In article . com, Liam
Too writes

banana wrote:
Miura is a liar.

There is no obligation to deport someone to a territory run
by a State that is persecuting them.

Japanese immigration admitted this in December 2004 - see
the following article:

http://www12.mainichi.co.jp/news/mdn...25764/Fischer-
0-14.html or click: http://tinyurl.com/42z3w:


Of course, Fischer will definitely be persecuted (and maybe prosecuted)
as soon as he is deported and entered the US. But why does the
deportation proceedings taking so long? Are they waiting perhaps for a
grand jury indictment of some kind on Fischer? This indictment will
take a long time though and I bet that it's not gonna happen in April
nor within 6 months. Japan in the meantime is breaking its own laws by
holding him for so long.

I wonder what happened to Fischer's application of the writ of habeas
corpus?


Apparently the court will respond to it by next week.

Is a grand jury indictment supposed to be necessary under US law before
an extradition request can be sent?

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In article , Stephen Glynn
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banana wrote:
Before reading this article, be aware that the BBC works closely with
both SIS (MI6) and the US CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service.

But also be aware that many of the BBC's journalists are as thick as two
short planks, and crap at 'research'.

There is absolutely no recognition in this article that the Icelandic
government recognises Bobby Fischer's status as *stateless*.


snip

For some reason I'm not as well up on the Japanese law on this subject
as I should be. However, where do you get the idea he's 'stateless'
from? The USA clearly think he's a US citizen. Withdrawing someone's
passport doesn't necessarily mean you've stripped him of his
citizenship; the guys recently returned from Guantanamo Bay have had
their passports revoked IIRC, but no one's suggested they've lost their
British citizenship as a result of this.


The Icelandic government recognises his stateless status, and has
printed the word 'STATELESS' on his passport. You can see a copy of his
passport at: http://www.freebobbyfischer.net/modules/news

Re. his renunciation of US citizenship last year, and what happened
subsequently, there is material in the Google archive of
rec.games.chess.misc and rec.games.chess.politics

You are correct to state that the US government views him as a US
citizen and that they have not stripped him of citizenship.

It is of course well known for persecuting States, when their victim has
escaped to another country, to insist that since the person is still a
citizen of X, they must be deported to the territory of X. Japan as well
as other countries is under an obligation not to go along with this.

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banana wrote:
Apparently the court will respond to it by next week.

Is a grand jury indictment supposed to be necessary under US
law before an extradition request can be sent?


Nope, these events are mutually exclusive. They can have a grand jury
indictment and try Fischer in absentia and request for extradition
later or vice versa.

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Old March 15th 05, 09:57 PM
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:35:46 +0000, banana


typed:

Before reading this article, be aware that the BBC works closely with
both SIS (MI6) and the US CIA's Foreign Broadcast Information Service.


fyio

i take it you noted he was banged up(isolated?) for a few days very
recently...
sommat to do with asking for an extra egg air...

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