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Old March 18th 05, 06:09 PM
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By VALUR GUNNARSSON
Associated Press Writer

March 18, 2005, 12:47 PM EST


REYKJAVIK, Iceland -- American chess genius Bobby Fischer, detained in
Japan and awaiting deportation to the United States, cleared another
hurdle Friday in his bid for Icelandic citizenship after a
parliamentary committee granted initial approval.

The motion to grant Fischer citizenship will go before Iceland's
63-member parliament for final approval on Monday, said Gudrun
Oegmundsdottir, a member the General Committee.

Fischer, 62, has been detained in Japan awaiting deportation to the
United States, where he is wanted for violating economic sanctions
against the former Yugoslavia by playing a highly publicized chess
match there in 1992.

The Japanese government had no immediate official reaction. But one of
Fischer's supporters in Iceland claimed Japan had confirmed it would
allow him to go to Iceland if citizenship was granted.

"This is great news," said Fischer supporter Saemundur Palsson. "They
had been waiting on confirmation from Japan that Fischer would be let
go if he had Icelandic citizenship. This arrived to me this morning."

Mizuho Fukushima, leader of Japan's opposition Social Democratic Party,
also has said senior immigration officials told her that Fischer would
be allowed to go to Iceland if he gets citizenship.

There is widespread support for Fischer in Iceland, where he played the
Soviet Union's Boris Spassky in a world championship match in 1972.

Iceland's parliament voted last month against granting Fischer
citizenship, offering him a special foreigners' passport and residence
permit instead. But Japanese officials declined to release him.

Since being taken into custody in July for allegedly trying to leave
Japan on a revoked U.S. passport, Fischer has repeatedly denounced the
U.S. deportation order as politically motivated, demanded refugee
status, renounced his U.S. citizenship and said he wants to become a
German national instead.

He also has applied to marry Mikyoko Watai, head of the Japan Chess
Association.

"We are currently organizing a fund-raising for the party that will go
out to meet him," Fischer supporter Einar Einarsson said.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...,6441432.story

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Old March 19th 05, 01:28 AM
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In article . com, Liam
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By VALUR GUNNARSSON
Associated Press Writer

March 18, 2005, 12:47 PM EST


REYKJAVIK, Iceland -- American chess genius Bobby Fischer, detained in
Japan and awaiting deportation to the United States, cleared another
hurdle Friday in his bid for Icelandic citizenship after a
parliamentary committee granted initial approval.

The motion to grant Fischer citizenship will go before Iceland's
63-member parliament for final approval on Monday, said Gudrun
Oegmundsdottir, a member the General Committee.

Fischer, 62, has been detained in Japan awaiting deportation to the
United States, where he is wanted for violating economic sanctions
against the former Yugoslavia by playing a highly publicized chess
match there in 1992.

The Japanese government had no immediate official reaction. But one of
Fischer's supporters in Iceland claimed Japan had confirmed it would
allow him to go to Iceland if citizenship was granted.


If no Japanese official has made an on-the-record statement to this
effect, this suggests that Japanese authorities may be waiting for
further US orders.

It is possible that US orders may involve pulling some trick or other
before the passport arrives. Provoke a fight, maybe - who knows? I hope
the Icelandic ambassador waits outside the prison until the result of
the Reykjavik vote, and then knocks on the door asking for Icelandic
citizen Bobby Fischer to be released immediately into his custody.

"This is great news," said Fischer supporter Saemundur Palsson. "They
had been waiting on confirmation from Japan that Fischer would be let
go if he had Icelandic citizenship. This arrived to me this morning."


If anyone has got this in written form - or an audiotape or whatever -
they should PUBLISH it, with the NAME of the official involved.

Mizuho Fukushima, leader of Japan's opposition Social Democratic Party,
also has said senior immigration officials told her that Fischer would
be allowed to go to Iceland if he gets citizenship.


--
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give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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Old March 19th 05, 09:07 AM
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Sounds like some real progress at long last! Bravo Iceland.

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In article . com, Liam
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By VALUR GUNNARSSON
Associated Press Writer

March 18, 2005, 12:47 PM EST


REYKJAVIK, Iceland -- American chess genius Bobby Fischer, detained in
Japan and awaiting deportation to the United States, cleared another
hurdle Friday in his bid for Icelandic citizenship after a
parliamentary committee granted initial approval.

The motion to grant Fischer citizenship will go before Iceland's
63-member parliament for final approval on Monday, said Gudrun
Oegmundsdottir, a member the General Committee.

Fischer, 62, has been detained in Japan awaiting deportation to the
United States, where he is wanted for violating economic sanctions
against the former Yugoslavia by playing a highly publicized chess
match there in 1992.

The Japanese government had no immediate official reaction. But one of
Fischer's supporters in Iceland claimed Japan had confirmed it would
allow him to go to Iceland if citizenship was granted.


If no Japanese official has made an on-the-record statement to this
effect, this suggests that Japanese authorities may be waiting for
further US orders.

It is possible that US orders may involve pulling some trick or other
before the passport arrives. Provoke a fight, maybe - who knows? I hope
the Icelandic ambassador waits outside the prison until the result of
the Reykjavik vote, and then knocks on the door asking for Icelandic
citizen Bobby Fischer to be released immediately into his custody.

"This is great news," said Fischer supporter Saemundur Palsson. "They
had been waiting on confirmation from Japan that Fischer would be let
go if he had Icelandic citizenship. This arrived to me this morning."


If anyone has got this in written form - or an audiotape or whatever -
they should PUBLISH it, with the NAME of the official involved.

Mizuho Fukushima, leader of Japan's opposition Social Democratic Party,
also has said senior immigration officials told her that Fischer would
be allowed to go to Iceland if he gets citizenship.


--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)



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As GM Larry Evans pointed out, we all know Bobby will bite the hand
that frees him. That is a given. Heck, Bobby knows it.

Even now suspicion about Icelandic motives are percolating in his
cranium. WHY did they save him? WHAT are they up to? HOW MUCH do they
want?

In fact, by the time he touches down in Reykjavik, he will be half
ready to denounce Olafsson and the entire Icelandic people. He may
barely constrain himself.

My best guess is that he will denounce the 7.6 Jews living in Iceland,
wear out his welcome before the next steam vent whooshes in that
country, and be on his way to the Philippines or anywhere that won't
extradite him.

I cheer Bobby escaping the anti-constitutional hyperstate. I do not
cheer Bobby.

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My best guess is that he will denounce the 7.6 Jews living in

Iceland,
wear out his welcome before the next steam vent whooshes in that
country, and be on his way to the Philippines or anywhere that won't
extradite him.


The US and the Philippines have had an extradition treaty since
November 22, 1996. See:
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/usc...000-notes.html

In all likelihood, Fischer will eventually be indicted in the United
States on tax-related charges, which are, in general, subject to
extradiction (especially if the US can portray Fischer's crime as a tax
fraud vs. simple tax evasion). Fischer would do better in any of the 75
countries that at this time are not party to any extradition treaty to
which the US is also party.

Countries which do not have extradition treaties but do maintain
diplomatic relations with the US are Afghanistan, Algeria, Armenia,
Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bophuthatswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi,
Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China (People's
Republic of China), Ciskei, The Comors, Cote d' Ivoire, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia,
Jordan, Korea (South), Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Madagascar, Mali,
Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Maldova, Mongolia,
Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Principe and San
Tome, Qatar, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sudan,
Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Western Samoa, Yemen, Zaire, and
Zimbabwe.

Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition
treaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,
Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,
Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.

If Fischer would like to be careful, he will not even wait for his
welcome to wear out, but would arrive in Iceland, thank his hosts
profusely, attend a few parties, make his apologies, and then zip off
to one of these other destinations. After the US starts an extradition
proceeding with Iceland, Fischer would again have reduced freedom of
movement. Taiwan might not be a bad choice.



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On 19 Mar 2005 05:05:25 -0800, "Tyrone Slothrop"
wrote:

Countries which do not have extradition treaties but do maintain
diplomatic relations with the US are Afghanistan, Algeria, Armenia,
Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bophuthatswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi,
Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China (People's
Republic of China), Ciskei, The Comors, Cote d' Ivoire, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia,
Jordan, Korea (South), Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Madagascar, Mali,
Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Maldova, Mongolia,
Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Principe and San
Tome, Qatar, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sudan,
Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Western Samoa, Yemen, Zaire, and
Zimbabwe.


Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition
treaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,
Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,
Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.


In many of these countries, verbal (and other) behavior is, shall we
say, highly constrained. In others, being a foreign millionaire
without many bodyguards isn't prudent.

Andorra probably still remembers Ulvestad. Might be a decent choice.

If Fischer would like to be careful, he will not even wait for his
welcome to wear out, but would arrive in Iceland, thank his hosts
profusely, attend a few parties, make his apologies, and then zip off
to one of these other destinations. After the US starts an extradition
proceeding with Iceland, Fischer would again have reduced freedom of
movement. Taiwan might not be a bad choice.


What? Taiwan is even more dependent on the US than Japan.

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In article . com,
Tyrone Slothrop writes

wrote:
My best guess is that he will denounce the 7.6 Jews living in

Iceland,
wear out his welcome before the next steam vent whooshes in that
country, and be on his way to the Philippines or anywhere that won't
extradite him.


The US and the Philippines have had an extradition treaty since
November 22, 1996. See:
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/usc...Germany&url=/u
scode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00003181----000-notes.html


I doubt that they extradite for alleged 'crimes' that aren't against the
law in the Philippines.

Japan has an extradition treaty with the US too, but the US authorities
have not applied for an extradition order because playing chess in
Yugoslavia has never been against the law in Japan, and is therefore not
extraditable.

In all likelihood, Fischer will eventually be indicted in the United
States on tax-related charges, which are, in general, subject to
extradiction (especially if the US can portray Fischer's crime as a tax
fraud vs. simple tax evasion).


If he hasn't filled in a tax return since the 1970s, they'd have a hard
time proving fraud.

According to the Icelandic government of course, Fischer isn't a US
citizen, and there is no legal reason why any government in the world
should automatically accept what the US government says about this
rather than the Icelandic government. Both are supposed to be 'equally
sovereign'.

I am still surprised that US citizens are told they have to pay tax to
the US government on earnings abroad, including earnings that they never
take anywhere near the US. Surely if they pay tax instead to the
government that has jurisdiction over the territory where the earnings
are made, that government 'shouldn't' respect any claim by the US
government that it has a right to tax the earnings too? The point of
extradition treaties isn't supposed to be to let the US government claim
jurisdiction over all of its citizens wherever they are in the entire
world.

I am reluctant to believe that the US government would have any chance
of extraditing even a US citizen for not paying tax to the US government
on money earned outside the US, and never brought to the US, until
someone quotes me chapter and verse.

Of course this leaves the ridiculous allegation of 'money-laundering'
with regard to Fischer's alleged paying of lawyers in the US with prize
money won abroad, but money-laundering is not the same as tax evasion or
tax fraud.

To judge by the impression given in the 'Da Vinci Code' by Dan Brown,
there may also be an impression in the US that US citizens abroad can be
'deported' at the dictat of the US government. I know this isn't
evidence of any law, but since the book was written mainly for a US
market, what he writes about this presumably tallies with a widespread
impression, or at least doesn't strike most of its readers as completely
false. Obviously the US authorities have no right to deport anyone from
France other than their own diplomats, so presumably the instrument for
'deporting' people would be passport revocation. Which makes me wonder
how common it is for the US authorities to pull 'passport tricks'
against people abroad.

This appears quite peculiar from the point of view of someone living in
the UK, where most foreign travel is to elsewhere in the EU, all UK
citizens are EU citizens automatically, and a passport is only demanded
on exit from the UK. (Let's recall that ordering people to stay within
the UK without a court order is against international law on the freedom
of movement - and it doesn't matter whether a person has got a passport
or not - but they get away with demanding the furnishing of passports by
doing it via the travel companies). Contrary to belief, the UK has some
of the toughest border controls in the EU. You can drive between say
France and Germany without passing ANY CONTROLS WHATSOEVER. The UK
government has no right to 'deport' people from places outside its
jurisdiction, and few would think that it did.

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give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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In article . com,
Tyrone Slothrop writes
wrote:
My best guess is that he will denounce the 7.6 Jews living in

Iceland,
wear out his welcome before the next steam vent whooshes in that
country, and be on his way to the Philippines or anywhere that won't
extradite him.


The US and the Philippines have had an extradition treaty since
November 22, 1996. See:
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/usc...Germany&url=/u
scode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00003181----000-notes.html

In all likelihood, Fischer will eventually be indicted in the United
States on tax-related charges, which are, in general, subject to
extradiction (especially if the US can portray Fischer's crime as a tax
fraud vs. simple tax evasion). Fischer would do better in any of the 75
countries that at this time are not party to any extradition treaty to
which the US is also party.

Countries which do not have extradition treaties but do maintain
diplomatic relations with the US are Afghanistan, Algeria, Armenia,
Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bophuthatswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi,
Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China (People's
Republic of China), Ciskei, The Comors, Cote d' Ivoire, Djibouti,
Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia,
Jordan, Korea (South), Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Madagascar, Mali,
Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Maldova, Mongolia,
Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Principe and San
Tome, Qatar, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sudan,
Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Western Samoa, Yemen, Zaire, and
Zimbabwe.

Countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition
treaties with the US are Andorra, Angola, Bantu Homelands, Bhutan,
Bosnia, Cambodia, Ciskei, Cuba, Iran, Korea (North), Libya, Maldives,
Serbia, Somalia, Taiwan, Transkei, Vanuatu, and Vietnam.


Cuba might not be a bad idea given Fischer's having played chess there
including with Fidel Castro.

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give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:27:22 +0000, banana
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Cuba might not be a bad idea given Fischer's having played chess there
including with Fidel Castro.


As Larry mentioned earlier in the thread, Fischer tends to bite the
hand that feeds him -- not advisable in Cuba. On the other hand,
Castro might like to keep him around just to goad the US.

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Sounds like some real progress at long last! Bravo Iceland.

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Mainichi Daily News
By Ryann Connell
March 19, 2005
Bobby Fischer's lawyer Masako Suzuki on Saturday demanded the Japanese
government free the incarcerated Grand Master immediately and let him leave
Japan as Iceland moved to grant him citizenship.

Overnight, an Icelandic parliamentary committee voted to make the 62-year-old an
Icelander and the parliament is expected to approve the decision in a vote on
Monday.

A new interview Fischer gave from his cell to Radio DZRH in Manila was also
listed on the Grand Master's Web site overnight. He complained of conditions at
the detention center.

"It's terrible to be here. It's terrible. Really terrible. I start to understand
how animals feel when they're caged. They just get crazier and crazier," Fischer
said in response to a question about how he felt.

More on this link: http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20050...dm001002c.html




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