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Old September 24th 05, 07:29 PM
 
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Originally posted to rgcp in August 2003; I don't pretend to know what
legislation was in effect at the time of Sloan's narrative, but would
suggest that it is reasonable to assume that then-current law would not
have been wildly inconsistent. Does Parr wish to concede that point,
or should I contact the Thai consulate?

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http://www.interpol.int/Public/Child...ws/csaThailan=
d=2Easp


Legislation of Interpol member states on sexual offences against
children


Thailand - Tha=EFlande - Tailandia
Bangkok


I=2E Ages for legal purposes
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Age of simple majority


According to the Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act, " child
" means a person who is not yet over 18 years of age.


Age of consent for marriage


Book 5 of the Civil and Commercial Code states that marriage can be
done when both parties are seventeen (17) years of age but with a
reasonable ground , the court may permit them to be married before.


II.Rape
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Title IX 'Offences relating to sexuality'Section 277 of the Penal
Code


'Whoever has sexual intercourse with a girl not yet over thirteen
years of age, with or without her consent, shall be punished with
imprisonment of seven (7) to twenty (20) years and fine of fourteen
thousand to forty thousand baht, or imprisonment for life.


If the offence according to the first paragraph is committed by
participation of persons in the nature for destroying a girl and such
girl is not consent, or by carrying or using any gun or explosive, the
offender shall be punished with imprisonment for life.'


Title IX Section 277 bis


'If the commission of offence according to the first paragraph of ...
Section 277 causes:


grievious bodily harm to the victim, the offender shall be punished
with imprisonment of fifteen to twenty years and fine of thirty
thousand to forty thousand baht, or imprisonment for life.


death of the victim, the offender shall be punished with death or
imprisonment for life.'
Title IX Section 277 ter


'If the commission of the offence according to the second paragraph of
..=2E. Section 277 causes


grievious bodily harm to the victim, the offender shall be punished
with death or imprisonment for life.


death to the victim, the offender shall be punished with death.'
Title IX Section 285


'If the commission of offence according to ... Section 277, 277 bis,
277
ter, ... is against the descendant, apupil under taken his care, a
person under his control according to his official authority, or a
person under his tutorship, guardianship, or curatorship, the offender
shall be liable heavier punishment than that as provided in such
section by one third.'


III Other form of child sex abuse


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Title IV Section 279


'Whoever commits an indecent act on a child not over thirteen years of
age, with or without her consent, shall be punished with imprisonment
not exceeding ten years or fine not exceeding twenty thousand baht, or
both.


If the commission of offence according to the first paragraph, the
offender commits it by threatening by any means whatever, by doing any
act of violence, by taking advantage of such child being in the
condition of inability to resist, or by causing such child to mistake
him for another person, the offender shall be punished with
imprisonment not exceeding fifteen years or fine not exceeding thirty
thousand baht, or both.'


The Section 285 is also applied in the case of indecent acts.


IV. Child prostitution
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The 'Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act'. In this Act
'Prostitution' means


'The acceptance of sexual intercourse, the acceptance of any other
act, or the commission of any act for sexual gratification of another
person in a promiscuous manner, in order to gain financial or other
benefit, no matter whether the person who accepts such act and the
person who commits such act are of the same or opposite sex.'


Section 8 of the 'Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act' states


'Whoever, for sexual gratification of that person or of the third
person, commits sexual intercourse or any other act against a person
who is over fifteen (15) years but not yet over eighteen (18) years of
age, with or without his or her consent, in a place for prostitution,
shall be punished with imprisonment of one to three years and a fine
of twenty thousand to sixty thousand baht.


If the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph
is committed against a child not over fifteen (15) years of age, the
offender shall be punished with imprisonment of two to six years and a
fine of forty thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand baht.'


Section 9 of the 'Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act' states


'Whoever procures, seduces, or traffics the other person to commit the
act of prostitution, even with consent of the other person, no matter
whether the commission of various acts which constitute the offence
are committed inside or outside the territory of the Kingdom, shall be
punished with imprisonment of one to ten years and an fine of twenty
thousand to two hundred thousand baht.


If the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph
is against a person who is over fifteen (15) years but not yet over
eighteen (18) years of age, the offender shall be punished with
imprisonment of five to fifteen years and a fine of one hundred
thousand to three hundred thousand baht.


If the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph
is against a child not over fifteen (15) years of age, the offender
shall be punished with imprisonment of ten to twenty years and a fine
of two hundred thousand to hundred thousand baht.


If the commission of the offence as specified in the first, second or
third paragraph is perpetrated by using deceitful means, threat,
physical assault, immoral influence, or mental coercion by any other
means, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment one-third
heavier than the punishment accordingly specified in the first,
second, third or fourth paragraph as the case may be.'


Section 10 of the 'Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act' states


'Whoever is the father, mother, or guardian of a person not yet over
eighteen (18) years of age, with the knowledge that there is the
commission of the offence as specified in the second third, or fourth
paragraph of Section 9 against the person within his or her
guardianship, colludes with another offender in the commission of that
offence, shall be punished with imprisonment of four to twenty years,
and a fine of eighty thousand to four hundred thousand baht.'


Section 11 of the 'Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act' states


'Whoever is the owner, supervisor, or manager of a prostitution
business or a place for prostitution, or controller of a prostitute in
the place of prostitution, shall be punished with imprisonment of
three to fifteen years, and a fine of sixty thousand to three hundred
thousand baht.


If the prostitution business or place for prostitution as specified,
has a person not yet over eighteen (18) years of age performing the
act of prostitution in such place, the offender shall be punished with
imprisonment of five to fifteen years, and a fine of one hundred
thousand to three hundred thousand baht.


If the prostitution business or place for prostitution as specified ,
has a child not yet over fifteen (15) years of age performing the act
of prostitution in such place, the offender shall be punished with
imprisonment of ten to twenty years, and a fine of two hundred
thousand to four hundred thousand baht.'


Section 12 of the 'Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act' states


'Whoever detains or confines the other person, commits any other act
that deprives the liberty of the other person, assaults the other
person, or threatens with any other means to use physical force to
commit a violent act against the other person, in order to force the
other person to perform the prostitution activity, shall be punished
with imprisonment of ten to twenty years, and a fine of two hundred to
four hundred thousand baht.


If the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph
causes to the other person:


1) serious bodily injury, the offender shall be punished with life
imprisonment.


2) death, the offender shall be punished with the death penalty or
life imprisonment.=20


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Cited in full: illegal acts are cool, including digital penetration of
young teens. Note the sophist's typical misdirection.

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MR. BROCK'S "CULTURAL" ALLUSION


By Larry Parr


Bill Brock's "cultural" allusion to a movie called Taxi Driver
with an
actress called Jodie Foster gets the better of us. We have never seen
the film
and know nothing more about the actress in question than that she was
the love
interest of John Hinckley. At our home we prefer films such as
Bringing Up
Baby with Cary Grant and Katharine Hepburn and the Andy Hardy series
with
Mickey Rooney. My children also enjoy the Ealing comedies. Mr.
Brock's tastes
are more spicily catholic.


Stan Booz and The Historian accused Sam Sloan of having sex with

"children." They adduced no evidence to demonstrate such. None.


The charge then changed.


Mr. Sloan was said to have fingered Thai girls in the sex
trade. He
was, in short, accused of doing what is part of the very basic Thai way
of
life. He was accused of acting like Thai soldiers on leave.


We noted that the first charge is not the second charge.


Bill Brock weighs in, accusing us of, we guess, cultural
relativism. We
noted other ways of life and the rough-and-ready practices of other
societies,
and the man is now having a hissy fit.


I will never forget the first time I ran into some Thai soldiers
who
brought a bunch of snakes into a bar. They were slithering around on
the bar
and I had one handed to me, which wrapped itself around my arm. I did
my best
to laugh, waited a few minutes, and then extended my arm as casually as
I could
manage to one of the soldiers, who relieved me of the reptile. This
kind of
thing would not go down well even at Studio 54 in New York, let alone a

suburban bar in a Chicago suburb. In some border town in Thailand, it
is
common. In a metropolis such as Bangkok, it happens now and then.


The vital distinction between a FIDE bawdy house and Sam Sloan
living
the life of a Thai in a border town is that FIDE would be acting in OUR
name,
whereas Mr. Sloan was leading his life in his own name. Elementary.


We think that if Mr. Brock's movie viewing habits betoken his
interests,
then he is more interested in the underside of life than we.


Perhaps Mr. Brock or, we make so bold, "Billy Baby" could take
us to one
of the parties that he hungers to attend. He could then introduce us
to Jodie
Foster.

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It's easy to predict Parr's defense: Sloan didn't admit what Sloan
admitted.

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http://www.tatnews.org/tat_news/detail.asp?id=1484

This is a 1996 act. Heh.

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The Prostitution Suppression Act B.E. 2503 (1960) appears to have been
the law at the time.


See for example PDF pages 51-53 (document pgs. 45-47) of this rather
large pdf:

http://www.unifemsingapore.org.sg/Tr...tarsReport.pdf


The effect on people's lives?

See
http://protectionproject.org/human_r...t/thailand.htm


Dry reading, I know.

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