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Old October 28th 05, 12:22 PM
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FIDE Boss Offers to Buy Lenin's Body for $1 Million
Created: 28.10.2005 14:58 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:58 MSK





Head of the FIDE World Chess Federation, and the president of the Russian
internal republic of Kalmykia, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, has said he is ready to
allocate $1 million for the shipping of the Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin's
body to the Kalmyk capital of Elista.

"I have officially told Russian communist leader Gennady Zyuganov that if
the question of burying Lenin's body is raised, we are ready to allocate $1
million to bring both the mausoleum and body to Elista," Iliumzhinov was
quoted by Interfax news agency as saying.

In recent weeks, several officials spoke of the possibility of removing
Lenin's body from his mausoleum in the center of Moscow.

Georgy Poltavchenko, a regional envoy of President Vladimir Putin, said that
Lenin's body should be buried in a cemetery along with the remains of other
Bolshevik dignitaries. Deputy parliamentary speaker Lyubov Sliska said
Monday that Lenin's body could be laid to rest as early as January. The
governor of St. Petersburg, Valentina Matvienko, has also called for
Vladimir Lenin's body to be removed from its Red Square mausoleum and
buried.

Zyuganov warned the Kremlin against agreeing to those calls, denouncing the
intention as ''irresponsible and provocative." Former Soviet President
Mikhail Gorbachev said the nation isn't ready yet for such a move.

President Vladimir Putin said earlier he was against burying Lenin's body. "Many
people connect their own lives with the name of Lenin," Putin said at the
time. "Burying Lenin would mean ... that they had lived in vain."

According to the poll held by the Levada Analytical Center, 40 percent of
the 1,600 respondents believe the leader of the world proletariat should be
left in the mausoleum on Red Square. 36 percent suggest that he be buried at
the Volkovo Cemetery in St. Petersburg. 15 percent want him to be buried
next to the Kremlin wall, along with many other famous communists. 9 percent
have no particular view on the issue.




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Old October 28th 05, 03:24 PM
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Zyuganov warned the Kremlin against agreeing to those calls, denouncing
the intention as ''irresponsible and provocative." Former Soviet President
Mikhail Gorbachev said the nation isn't ready yet for such a move.


They should bury his body and throw the ashes into the Moscow River or
somewhere but I bet they still want to make a business on his mortal
remains.


President Vladimir Putin said earlier he was against burying Lenin's body.
"Many people connect their own lives with the name of Lenin," Putin said
at the time. "Burying Lenin would mean ... that they had lived in vain."


To tell the truth they had lived in vain. Putin`s grandfather was a personal
cook of Lenin and Stalin ;-)


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Old October 28th 05, 03:33 PM
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:24:02 +0200, "Jerzy" wrote:


Zyuganov warned the Kremlin against agreeing to those calls, denouncing
the intention as ''irresponsible and provocative." Former Soviet President
Mikhail Gorbachev said the nation isn't ready yet for such a move.


They should bury his body and throw the ashes into the Moscow River or
somewhere but I bet they still want to make a business on his mortal
remains.


There's probably a circus or a Vegas casino that would pay big money
for it. There's poetic justice here.
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Old October 28th 05, 05:41 PM
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Perhaps Ilyumzhinov imagines himself to be Lenin's spiritual heir?

Chess One wrote:
MosNews have just reported:-


FIDE Boss Offers to Buy Lenin's Body for $1 Million
Created: 28.10.2005 14:58 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 14:58 MSK





Head of the FIDE World Chess Federation, and the president of the Russian
internal republic of Kalmykia, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, has said he is ready to
allocate $1 million for the shipping of the Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin's
body to the Kalmyk capital of Elista.

"I have officially told Russian communist leader Gennady Zyuganov that if
the question of burying Lenin's body is raised, we are ready to allocate $1
million to bring both the mausoleum and body to Elista," Iliumzhinov was
quoted by Interfax news agency as saying.

In recent weeks, several officials spoke of the possibility of removing
Lenin's body from his mausoleum in the center of Moscow.

Georgy Poltavchenko, a regional envoy of President Vladimir Putin, said that
Lenin's body should be buried in a cemetery along with the remains of other
Bolshevik dignitaries. Deputy parliamentary speaker Lyubov Sliska said
Monday that Lenin's body could be laid to rest as early as January. The
governor of St. Petersburg, Valentina Matvienko, has also called for
Vladimir Lenin's body to be removed from its Red Square mausoleum and
buried.

Zyuganov warned the Kremlin against agreeing to those calls, denouncing the
intention as ''irresponsible and provocative." Former Soviet President
Mikhail Gorbachev said the nation isn't ready yet for such a move.

President Vladimir Putin said earlier he was against burying Lenin's body. "Many
people connect their own lives with the name of Lenin," Putin said at the
time. "Burying Lenin would mean ... that they had lived in vain."

According to the poll held by the Levada Analytical Center, 40 percent of
the 1,600 respondents believe the leader of the world proletariat should be
left in the mausoleum on Red Square. 36 percent suggest that he be buried at
the Volkovo Cemetery in St. Petersburg. 15 percent want him to be buried
next to the Kremlin wall, along with many other famous communists. 9 percent
have no particular view on the issue.


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"Mike Murray" wrote in message
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:24:02 +0200, "Jerzy" wrote:


Zyuganov warned the Kremlin against agreeing to those calls, denouncing
the intention as ''irresponsible and provocative." Former Soviet
President
Mikhail Gorbachev said the nation isn't ready yet for such a move.


They should bury his body and throw the ashes into the Moscow River or
somewhere but I bet they still want to make a business on his mortal
remains.


There's probably a circus or a Vegas casino that would pay big money
for it. There's poetic justice here.


Ha ha ha! I needed a good laugh after the morning's work.

Bidding war - maybe syndicates could get in on it? Genetic banks could go
for a sliver? Mike's idea is pretty good, maybe even a money-maker. Would
suit new Vegas theme-casino, if a few other corpses would be acquired. We
have a Dunes; Tombs? "Besides the past 3 'Marlboro Man' tombs, lies
Vladimir... please spit into receptacle provided. Trouble is, Lenin was an
innocent compared with Stalin, and both a million miles from Marx, and he
even further from Engels, who actually seemed to care enough about working
class conditions in England to spend time with them. So much for founding
fathers.

Just spent most of morning going through new chess title looking for
errors - found 2, both in analysis positions - diagrams wrong. Wonder if
this is typical? How are people importing games-to-books these days,
exporting from CB? I know some people have used sensory boards to actually
play over the moves so that there are no typos in the game score - but why
are analysis positions more prone to error, or is this some ideosyncracy of
mine to find them? I have authors actually writing "you //read// the book
you reviewed!", which presumably is a novel situation for them, and
presumably I read more than the proof reader.

I also want to learn from Jerzy what Putin's grandfather cooked for Stalin
and [really? and!] Lenin. I suppose if you hadn't poisoned A, then this is
some sort of recommendation. Wonder if either employed food-tasters like
Roman Emperors? Wasn't Lenin a vegetarian? Anyone else want another cup of
coffee?

Phil




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Old October 28th 05, 06:57 PM
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:36:53 GMT, "Chess One"
wrote:


Trouble is, Lenin was an innocent compared with Stalin,


Slicker, at any rate. But, AFAIK, the idea that the latter hijacked
the Revolution and made it dirty has been discredited since
Solzhenitsyn.

Wasn't Lenin a vegetarian?


A pretty good chess player.
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Old October 28th 05, 07:08 PM
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Chess One wrote:
Lenin was an
innocent compared with Stalin,


"Lenin: A New Biography" by Dmitri Volkogonov (1994) indicates
otherwise, that the worst excesses of the Soviet state all had their
roots in its founding father. Volkogonov portrays a Lenin equally as
cold, amoral, brutal and totalitarian as Stalin, a Lenin who would
likely have committed comparable enormities had he lived long enough.

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"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
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Chess One wrote:
Lenin was an
innocent compared with Stalin,


"Lenin: A New Biography" by Dmitri Volkogonov (1994) indicates
otherwise, that the worst excesses of the Soviet state all had their
roots in its founding father. Volkogonov portrays a Lenin equally as
cold, amoral, brutal and totalitarian as Stalin, a Lenin who would
likely have


aargh! no one would 'likely have' behaved as Stalin did behave.

committed comparable enormities had he lived long enough.


Lenin was not tested by possessing an absolute power, neither I suspect was
Volkogonov whose predictions we read.

In my original statement I made lineage of a certain form of an idea,
gradually becoming its opposite, from that of sociological concern in
Engels, to political theorising in Marx, to revolution in Lenin - but of
absolutists like Stalin we might take more care than to predict who will
behave in any particular way, and rather more to the point, to notice that
this burden hass not been survivable by any person.

Phil Innes


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Old October 28th 05, 08:33 PM
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I also want to learn from Jerzy what Putin's grandfather cooked for Stalin
and [really? and!] Lenin. I suppose if you hadn't poisoned A, then this is
some sort of recommendation. Wonder if either employed food-tasters like
Roman Emperors? Wasn't Lenin a vegetarian? Anyone else want another cup of
coffee?

Phil


Phil, I think he cooked blinchiki and added much vodka ;-)


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Old October 28th 05, 09:29 PM
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Chess One wrote:
aargh! no one would 'likely have' behaved as Stalin did behave.


Volkogonov says he did. Whether it's true, I do not know.

Lenin was not tested by possessing an absolute power, neither I suspect was
Volkogonov whose predictions we read.


Predictions? Volkogonov based his account on hitherto secret Soviet
archives. Those are records of the past, not predictions of the future.
Volkogonov began his research believing, as you said, that "Lenin was
an innocent compared to Stalin," but he finally discarded the notion,
and saw them as more or less equivalently monstrous.
I don't wish to argue the point overly much, but I thought
Volkogonov's book worth mentioning.

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