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Old January 23rd 06, 02:57 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
Duncan Oxley
 
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Mig has posted an interesting peice on the dirty side of chess journalism.

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/..._chronicle.htm

Enjoy,
Duncan


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Old January 23rd 06, 03:10 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
 
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Duncan Oxley wrote:
Mig has posted an interesting peice on the dirty side of chess journalism.

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/..._chronicle.htm

Enjoy,
Duncan


Hmm, Chess Chronicle. Isn't that the magazine created by Moran Tomic
and promoted by the Brattleboro Bedlam on his Chessvile website?

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Old January 23rd 06, 02:19 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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wrote:
Duncan Oxley wrote:
Mig has posted an interesting peice on the dirty side of chess journalism.

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/..._chronicle.htm

Enjoy,
Duncan


Hmm, Chess Chronicle. Isn't that the magazine created by Moran Tomic
and promoted by the Brattleboro Bedlam on his Chessvile website?


Yep, our old friend Goran is on the masthead as a "managing editor."
This sort of thing is nothing new for either him or www.pkchess. Some
years ago, Pakistani Chess Player ran an article taken verbatim from
Chernev's "Wonders and Curiosities of Chess" without mentioning its
author. Tomic took several copyrighted ChessCafe.com articles
(including one of mine), translated them and put them on his own
web-site. The authors' names were there, but Tomic apparently "forgot"
to ask their permission to use their copyrighted material. He removed
them under threat of legal action.

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Old January 23rd 06, 05:10 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
wrote:
Duncan Oxley wrote:
Mig has posted an interesting peice on the dirty side of chess journalism.

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/..._chronicle.htm

Enjoy,
Duncan


Hmm, Chess Chronicle. Isn't that the magazine created by Moran Tomic
and promoted by the Brattleboro Bedlam on his Chessvile website?


Yep, our old friend Goran is on the masthead as a "managing editor."
This sort of thing is nothing new for either him or www.pkchess. Some
years ago, Pakistani Chess Player ran an article taken verbatim from
Chernev's "Wonders and Curiosities of Chess" without mentioning its
author. Tomic took several copyrighted ChessCafe.com articles
(including one of mine), translated them and put them on his own
web-site. The authors' names were there, but Tomic apparently "forgot"
to ask their permission to use their copyrighted material. He removed
them under threat of legal action.


I "plaigde" a bunch-o money ta PBS. Tha aiac't of "plaigen" is
"plaigorism" We ums awl do thait down here!
:-)
Rob

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Old January 24th 06, 12:44 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Taylor Kingston wrote:
wrote:
Duncan Oxley wrote:
Mig has posted an interesting peice on the dirty side of chess journalism.

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/..._chronicle.htm

Enjoy,
Duncan


Hmm, Chess Chronicle. Isn't that the magazine created by Moran Tomic
and promoted by the Brattleboro Bedlam on his Chessvile website?


Yep, our old friend Goran is on the masthead as a "managing editor."
This sort of thing is nothing new for either him or www.pkchess. Some
years ago, Pakistani Chess Player ran an article taken verbatim from
Chernev's "Wonders and Curiosities of Chess" without mentioning its
author. Tomic took several copyrighted ChessCafe.com articles
(including one of mine), translated them and put them on his own
web-site. The authors' names were there, but Tomic apparently "forgot"
to ask their permission to use their copyrighted material. He removed
them under threat of legal action.


Speaking of copying:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html

The names of Innes' "blacklisted" authors show up often in this
article.

BTW, my apologies to Grandmaster Raymond Keene for stating that his
publisher paid out 2000 USD to settle with John Donaldson. It was 3000
USD.



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Old January 24th 06, 01:33 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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The Historian wrote:
Speaking of copying:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html

The names of Innes' "blacklisted" authors show up often in this
article.


Indeed: Schiller and Keene are most prominent, but Evans is mentioned
too.
Even Parr is mentioned, though not as an offender. It's not Larry,
but Schiller's mindless copying might lead one to think it is.

BTW, my apologies to Grandmaster Raymond Keene for stating that his
publisher paid out 2000 USD to settle with John Donaldson. It was 3000
USD.


And I apologize for saying the Pakistan Chess Player web-site lifted
an article from Chernev's "Wonders and Curiosities of Chess." It was
two articles.

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Old January 24th 06, 03:42 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Brennan and Kingston get together to celebrate more of their usual slagging
of other people, which constitutes 100% of the former's messages and only
most of the latters. Of course they report primarily on E. Winter, who as we
all know, is a completely objective reporter, right?

ROFL!

Both these 'historical writers' have either insensible memories or do not
reseach anything at all. Either that or they deliberately distort whatever
they do.

Here is something on Edward Winter which Brennan and Kingston are unlikely
to EVER mention:--

"It is a little known fact that Julian Simpole used to be a master at
the school in Brighton Sussex UK where Winter studied and used regularly to
thrash him at chess. Since Winter is a recluse who has done his best to
hide his tracks - its very embarrassing for him to have someone out there
who both knew him and cd beat him at chess all the time. We think this is
the prime reason for the boycott which otherwise makes no commercial sense
at all!!"

//Ray Keene

Phil Innes




"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
ups.com...

The Historian wrote:
Speaking of copying:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html

The names of Innes' "blacklisted" authors show up often in this
article.


Indeed: Schiller and Keene are most prominent, but Evans is mentioned
too.
Even Parr is mentioned, though not as an offender. It's not Larry,
but Schiller's mindless copying might lead one to think it is.

BTW, my apologies to Grandmaster Raymond Keene for stating that his
publisher paid out 2000 USD to settle with John Donaldson. It was 3000
USD.


And I apologize for saying the Pakistan Chess Player web-site lifted
an article from Chernev's "Wonders and Curiosities of Chess." It was
two articles.



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Old January 24th 06, 04:26 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics
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Chess One wrote:
Brennan and Kingston get together to celebrate more of their usual slagging
of other people, which constitutes 100% of the former's messages and only
most of the latters. Of course they report primarily on E. Winter, who as we
all know, is a completely objective reporter, right?


Um, Phil, do you have any *_factual_* information that contradicts
anything in the Winter article under discussion? (
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html ). If you are
going to impugn his objectivity, you must be objective yourself.

Here is something on Edward Winter which Brennan and Kingston are unlikely
to EVER mention:--

"It is a little known fact that Julian Simpole used to be a master at
the school in Brighton Sussex UK where Winter studied and used regularly to
thrash him at chess. Since Winter is a recluse who has done his best to
hide his tracks - its very embarrassing for him to have someone out there
who both knew him and cd beat him at chess all the time. We think this is
the prime reason for the boycott which otherwise makes no commercial sense
at all!!"

//Ray Keene


A farrago of nonsensical irrelevance, and a typical Keene red
herring. Winter's skill as a player has no bearing on the factuality of
his research. One need not be able to solve a single position in
Schiller's book of combinations to see that he copied it almost whole
from another book. One need not understand any analysis in Keene's
gambit book to see that he copied a chapter virtually word-for-word and
move-for-move from Donaldson.
And what "boycott" is Keene talking about? If it's ChessCafe's
alleged boycott of Hardinge-Simpole, what would Winter have to do with
that? He hasn't been a ChessCafe columnist for years. The association
ended well before ChessCafe took over USCF's B&E.

Prediction: As far as Winter's article on plagiarism
(http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html) is concerned,
Innes will present no factual information to contradict it.

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Taylor Kingston wrote:
Chess One wrote:
Brennan and Kingston get together to celebrate more of their usual slagging
of other people, which constitutes 100% of the former's messages and only
most of the latters. Of course they report primarily on E. Winter, who as we
all know, is a completely objective reporter, right?


Um, Phil, do you have any *_factual_* information that contradicts
anything in the Winter article under discussion? (
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html ). If you are
going to impugn his objectivity, you must be objective yourself.

Here is something on Edward Winter which Brennan and Kingston are unlikely
to EVER mention:--

"It is a little known fact that Julian Simpole used to be a master at
the school in Brighton Sussex UK where Winter studied and used regularly to
thrash him at chess. Since Winter is a recluse who has done his best to
hide his tracks - its very embarrassing for him to have someone out there
who both knew him and cd beat him at chess all the time. We think this is
the prime reason for the boycott which otherwise makes no commercial sense
at all!!"

//Ray Keene


A farrago of nonsensical irrelevance, and a typical Keene red
herring. Winter's skill as a player has no bearing on the factuality of
his research. One need not be able to solve a single position in
Schiller's book of combinations to see that he copied it almost whole
from another book. One need not understand any analysis in Keene's
gambit book to see that he copied a chapter virtually word-for-word and
move-for-move from Donaldson.
And what "boycott" is Keene talking about? If it's ChessCafe's
alleged boycott of Hardinge-Simpole, what would Winter have to do with
that? He hasn't been a ChessCafe columnist for years. The association
ended well before ChessCafe took over USCF's B&E.

Prediction: As far as Winter's article on plagiarism
(http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html) is concerned,
Innes will present no factual information to contradict it.



Yes Ray Keene, that gaurdian of truth and virtue ... or not ...

I once attended the finals of the Times British Schools Chess
Championship, the organisers were slagging off Ray Keene's books which
were made available as prizes.
I think Edward Winter having done something similiar may be more in Ray
Keene's mind than his chess grading. Note that the tendency to
denigrate somebody on the basis of their chess rating is inherent to
the sad.

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"Taylor Kingston" wrote in message
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Chess One wrote:
Brennan and Kingston get together to celebrate more of their usual
slagging
of other people, which constitutes 100% of the former's messages and only
most of the latters. Of course they report primarily on E. Winter, who as
we
all know, is a completely objective reporter, right?


Um, Phil, do you have any *_factual_* information that contradicts
anything in the Winter article under discussion? (
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html ). If you are
going to impugn his objectivity, you must be objective yourself.


I only have your joint e-mails from 2002, will they do?

Here is something on Edward Winter which Brennan and Kingston are
unlikely
to EVER mention:--

"It is a little known fact that Julian Simpole used to be a master at
the school in Brighton Sussex UK where Winter studied and used regularly
to
thrash him at chess. Since Winter is a recluse who has done his best to
hide his tracks - its very embarrassing for him to have someone out there
who both knew him and cd beat him at chess all the time. We think this
is
the prime reason for the boycott which otherwise makes no commercial
sense
at all!!"

//Ray Keene


A farrago of nonsensical irrelevance, and a typical Keene red
herring. Winter's skill as a player has no bearing on the factuality of
his research.


Really

Some would say that his obsession with certain people, no matter how petty
the detail, is not at all evident on the face of things.

One need not be able to solve a single position in
Schiller's book of combinations to see that he copied it almost whole
from another book. One need not understand any analysis in Keene's
gambit book to see that he copied a chapter virtually word-for-word and
move-for-move from Donaldson.


I believe Ray keene did not pay a penny, his publisher did. But this is such
petty stuff and happens all the time - its only 4 pages after all. Who was
it who lifted a huge article from a Hastings bulletin without any
attribution? Clue; the same characters, Donaldson and Keene.

Only this time the roles were reversed.

And what "boycott" is Keene talking about? If it's ChessCafe's
alleged boycott of Hardinge-Simpole, what would Winter have to do with
that? He hasn't been a ChessCafe columnist for years. The association
ended well before ChessCafe took over USCF's B&E.


What boycott?

Probably a coincidence that none of the HS list appears at Chesscafe, entire
coincidence as you say.

Prediction: As far as Winter's article on plagiarism
(http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/copying.html) is concerned,
Innes will present no factual information to contradict it.


Want to put some money on that? How much?

Phil Innes


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