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Default Letter from Beatriz Marinello to my chess friends in the world


May 12, 2006



My friends:



I am sorry to have to report disturbing news regarding the recent
actions of the United States Chess Federation Executive Board regarding
the upcoming FIDE Presidential elections.

That Board, of which I am a member, voted early to support the
candidacy of Bessel Kok for FIDE President. That is the right of the
national federation. But things took an ugly turn recently.

My position has always been that FIDE's motto, gens una sumus, we are
one family, should guide us in our promotion of the game we all love.
Following that principle, I recently stated that no matter who won the
FIDE presidential election, I would work with them for the betterment
of chess.

That statement did not sit well with the more fanatical Kok supporters
on the U.S. Chess Federation, who demanded that I retract it. Unless I
did so, they threatened punitive actions.



The President of the board submitted the following motion:



06-064 - Goichberg - Whereas:

1. The USCF Executive Board unanimously endorsed the candidacy of
Bessel Kok for FIDE President, and we feel that his election is very
important for the promotion of chess in the USA and the world, .

2. The Executive Board subsequently, at its February meeting, endorsed
the candidacy of Beatriz Marinello for FIDE General Secretary of the
Americas,.

3. Beatriz Marinello had voted for the Board endorsement of Bessel Kok.
However, on April 4, she wrote to the Board about the FIDE election, "I
will remain neutral and willing to work with the administration that
wins." On April 6, she wrote, "I view my position as someone who is
acting in the best interest of the organization. Maintaining a neutral
position, in my opinion does not affect the votes of other
federations." On April 9 she wrote, "I do not believe that the USCF
position is to obligate people to actively campaign for a particular
candidate."



4. USCF policy, as recently reaffirmed by the Executive Board, is that
our FIDE representatives are required to support USCF positions on FIDE
issues.



5. We believe that in a democracy, supporting the best qualified
candidate in an election is appropriate and does not constitute a
refusal or inability to work with a different candidate, should the one
we are supporting fail to be elected.



6. We believe that to have a USCF representative advocating a neutral
position in discussions with representatives of other federations will
undermine our support for the candidacy of Bessel Kok.



Therefore, we ask Beatriz Marinello to consider accepting one of the
following two positions:



A) She agrees to affirmatively advocate the candidacy of Bessel Kok, to
the best of her ability, in any election discussions she may have with
the representatives of other federations.



B) She withdraws her offer to represent USCF at the upcoming Turin FIDE
meeting and her candidacy for General Secretary of the Americas. In the
event she chooses not to attend these meetings, USCF will reimburse her
for any nonrefundable travel expenses.



If Beatriz does not endorse one of these positions within three days of
the passage of this motion, the USCF endorsement of her candidacy for
General Secretary of the Americas is hereby rescinded, and FIDE shall
be notified that we oppose her nomination.



After extensive discussion the motion PASSED 3-0-2 with Beatriz
Marinello and Robert Tanner abstaining.

During the discussion Joel Channing, one of the members of the board
called me a "piece of crap" and he compared me with North Korea,
because I said that I will not change my position. Lately in other
Internet postings Mr. Schultz, another board member said as following:

"why is the press so silent and seemingly indifferent on the FIDE
elections? Why no words on the Israeli Chess Federation's endorsement
of Ilyumzhinov, a man who is a friend of Saddam Hussein, who in turn
launched missles (correction "missiles") against Israel and is also
responsible for the deaths of many Americans-- Don Schultz "

I am deeply offended by the personal attacks, and the fanatical and
irrational comments made by my fellow board members. These statements
speak for themselves. Please do not think that this mentality reflects
the thinking of the USCF members, these are comments coming from
fanatic extremists who do not understand world politics nor are willing
to engage in a democratic and clean campaigning to advance their
political agendas. Furthermore, If the USCF Executive Board moves
forward to cancel my nomination as General Secretary of FIDE Americas,
I will appeal this decision to the General Assembly.



Yours for Chess,



Beatriz Marinello

USCF Executive Board Member

USCF Past President

General Secretary de FIDE Américas



12 de Mayo del 2006



Estimados Amigos:



Con gran pesar tengo que divulgar algunas noticias que me disturban con
respecto a las recientes acciones del Directorio de la Federación de
Ajedrez de Estados Unidos en relación a las próximas elecciones
presidenciales en la FIDE. El directorio, del cual soy una de las
directoras, votó en apoyo a la candidatura de Bessell Kok para
Presidente de la FIDE. Nuestra federación esta en su derecho de tomar
este tipo de decisiones basado en el se considera es mejor para el
ajedrez mundial, pero la situación tomo un tono que en mi opinión es
inaceptable y reprochable.



Mi posición siempre ha sido apoyar el lema de la FIDE, gens una
sumus, somos una familia y todos nuestros esfuerzos sin importar
nuestras diferencias de opiniones deben dirigirnos hacia la promoción
del ajedrez que todos amamos. Siguiendo este principio, indiqué
recientemente que no importa quién gane las elecciones presidenciales
de la FIDE, yo trabajaría con este grupo para mejorar el ajedrez.
Esa declaración no fue bien recibida por los partidarios más
fanáticos de Bessel Kok dentro del directorio de la federación de
USA, quienes me exigieron que me retractara o sino tomarían
represarías.



Nuestro Presidente introdujo la siguiente moción:



06-064 - Goichberg -

"1. El directorio de la USCF endosó unánimemente la candidatura de
Bessel Kok para presidente de la FIDE, y sentimos que su elección es
muy importante para la promoción del ajedrez en los USA y en el mundo.


2. El directorio de la USCF se reunión de febrero y endosó la
candidatura de Beatriz Marinello para Secretaria General de FIDE
América.

3. Beatriz Marinello había votado por el endoso del candidato Bessel
Kok. Sin embargo, el 4 de abril, ella escribió al directorio en
relación a la elección de FIDE, "seguiré siendo neutral y
trabajare con la administración que gane." El 6 de abril, ella
escribió, "estoy actuando en lo que yo creo es lo mejor para nuestra
federación. Mantener una posición neutral, en mi opinión no afecta
los votos de otras federaciones." El 9 de abril ella escribió, "yo
no creo que la posición de USCF es obligar a la gente a trabajar
activamente en la campaña política de un candidato en particular."


4. La política de USCF, según lo reafirmado recientemente por el
directorio es que nuestros representantes en la FIDE están requeridos
apoyar las posiciones de la USCF.

5. Creemos que en una democracia, el apoyo al mejor candidato es
apropiado y no constituye una denegación o una inhabilidad de trabajar
con el otro candidato.

6. Creemos que un representante de la USCF que aboga de una posición
neutral en discusiones con los representantes de otras federaciones
minará nuestra ayuda para la candidatura de Bessel Kok.



Por lo tanto, pedimos a Beatriz Marinello que considere el aceptar de
una de las dos posiciones siguientes:

A) Ella acepta abogar por la candidatura de Bessel Kok, y pondrá sus
mejores esfuerzos en cualquier conversación acerca de la elección
que ella pueda tener con los representantes de otras federaciones.


B) Ella retira su representación de la USCF en la próxima reunión
de la FIDE en Turín y su candidatura para la posición de Secretaria
General de FIDE América.



En el caso que ella elija no ir a esta reunión, la USCF le
reembolsará cualquier costo incurrido. Si Beatriz no endosa una
de estas posiciones en el plazo de tres días después de pasar esta
moción, la USCF cancelara su endose para la posición de Secretaria
General de FIDE América y FIDE será notificada que nos oponemos a su
nombramiento."





En la ultima reunión de la directiva de la USCF, después de una
extensa discusión esta moción fue aprobada 3-0-2 (tres votos a favor
y dos abstenciones Beatriz Marinello y Roberto Tanner)



Durante la discusión Joel Channing, uno de los miembros del directorio
me llamó "pedazo de mierda" y él me comparó con Corea del
norte, todo esto porque dije que no cambiaré mi posición.
Últimamente en algunos lugares de Internet otro de los miembros del
directorio el Sr. Schultz dijo lo siguiente: " Por qué la prensa
esta tan silenciosa y aparentemente indiferente en las elecciones de
FIDE? Porqué no mencionan ningunas palabras con respecto el endoso de
Ilyumzhinov de parte de la federación de Israel, este hombre es un
amigo de Saddam Hussein, que alternadamente lanzó los missles
(corrección "misiles") contra Israel y es también responsable de
las muertes de muchos americanos. Schultz"



La vulgaridad de estos ataques personales me ofende profundamente.
Esta gente son personas fanáticas e irracionales. Estas declaraciones
hablan para sí mismas. Esta forma de pensar no refleja la mentalidad
de los miembros de la USCF, éstos son comentarios que vienen de
extremistas fanáticos que no entienden la política del mundo ni
están dispuestos a trabajar en una campaña democrática y limpia para
avanzar tus agendas políticas.



A raíz de estos hechos, si el directorio de la USCF sigue adelante con
los planes de cancelar mi candidatura para la posición de Secretaria
General de FIDE América, apelare esta decisión en la Asamblea
General.





Cordiales Saludos





Beatriz Marinello

USCF Executive Board Member

USCF Past President

General Secretary de FIDE Américas

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Old May 13th 06, 01:28 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
 
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" we are one family, should guide us in our promotion of the game we
all love."

BULL****

You are a self serving crook who used the USCF to pay for her CAR
BILLS.

Marcus Roberts

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Old May 13th 06, 03:36 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Dear Beatriz:

Your statement grossly misrepresents what took place and harms the
prestige of the United States Chess Federation..

Punish you? The Board voted unanimously to endorse you for positions on
the Chess in Schools Commission and another key committee position that
you requested. In addition they voted unanimously to endorse you for
the Verification Commission if Kirsan Ilyumzhinov wins the election.
Some punishment!

No one on the Board stated we would not work with the Ilyumzhinov
administration if his team wins the election. Yet you, in your letter
indicate otherwise.

We simply did not want someone representing the USCF in a major
position who does not agree to promote the official position of the
USCF.

I did make the comment about Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. President Goichberg
fully agrees with my position on him as well. Nevertheless, If
Ilyumzhinov is elected, USCF will work with his administration as we
have in the past. However, we believe his association with Saddam
Hussein and his attempt to hold a world championship in Baghdad shows
an unacceptable insensitivity to national political differences. All
this aside, what in the world has this inclusion in your email to do
with your representing us a key FIDE position? The only explanation for
your including it can be to embarrass me, the USCF and by extension
hurt the candidacy of Bessel Kok who is the preferred choice of the
organization you are suppose to represent..

What further bothers me is that, because of your highlighting our
feelings, some may think we are voicing the position of Bessel Kok.
That is 100% not true. We speak for no one but ourselves.

What you are doing is exactly what you said you would do at the meeting
- undermine the position of the USCF. You showed this when you said
your response to us would prevent Bill Kelleher from winning a seat on
the FIDE Executive Board. I gave you a chance to back off from that
when I said: "I don't believe you meant that but rather that you were
bluffing." You replied that you were not bluffing. That is why I
brought up the North Korea analogy and why Joel Channing voiced his
disappointment with you in harsher language then he perhaps intended
and by the way later retracted the manner in which he made his point.

Clearly we remember the meeting differently. That is why I have asked
fro a full transcript of what took place at the meeting. The meeting
was in open session so there should be no objection to this.

Don

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Old May 13th 06, 05:40 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Marinello is the biggest bitch in chess. She only gives a **** about
herself and no one else. You ain't get any sympathy from me. Go ****
yourself Marinello. You want to play both sides as usual. You sweet
talked the board into voting for you. When you got what you wanted, you
****ed them immediately. Compare to her, Don Schultz is a ****ing
saint.

Andrew Zito

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Old May 13th 06, 09:43 AM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
oups.com...

"why is the press so silent and seemingly indifferent on the FIDE
elections? Why no words on the Israeli Chess Federation's endorsement
of Ilyumzhinov, a man who is a friend of Saddam Hussein, who in turn
launched missles (correction "missiles") against Israel and is also
responsible for the deaths of many Americans-- Don Schultz "

Are you of a different opinion, Beatriz ?

If so then you should not represent any civilized country.




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I think that the war in Irak was a mistake, but this besides the point.


What I am questioning in my statement is the democratic process.

I believe that Mr. Kok is a gentleman and in his team has two very
respectable people Javier Ochoa and Nouredinne Tabanne. I consider
that has been an error to allow those affirmations of corruption and
personal attacks to be use as part of the campaign, which by the way do
not appear with concrete facts or proves. These statements has harmed
Mr. Kok more than what it has been benefited. Thinking that the votes
of the national Federations will be influenced by rumors it’s like
underestimating the analytical abilities of our leaders.

I think that our assessment should be based in what we think its best
for the chess world as a whole. Don Schultz is making a mistake by
using this issue as a way of campaigning for Bessel, in the end this
will do more harm than help.

Too many crimes and unfairness have been committed in the name of
democracy. I know by experience that the situations look very different
from the outside than from the inside.

Beatriz Marinello

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Old May 13th 06, 12:15 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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U¿ytkownik napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
ups.com...
"I think that the war in Irak was a mistake, but this besides the point"

So you don`t see anything bad in Ilyumzhinov`s behaviour before war in Iraq
and his close friendship with Sadman Insane ?

If so then you should not represent a civilized country.


"Too many crimes and unfairness have been committed in the name of
democracy. I know by experience that the situations look very different
from the outside than from the inside. "

Do you mean Pinochet ? Were you a supporter of him or not ?


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Old May 13th 06, 01:20 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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Marinello has no business representing the members of the USCF. This
bitch doesn't give a **** about the USCF or anyone else. She's only
about making a name for herself in the chess world. She even supports a
murderer like Ilyumzhinov. She's the best politician money can buy. She
should resign at once and go away from chess.

Andrew Zito

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Old May 13th 06, 01:58 PM posted to rec.games.chess.politics
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To Bill Brock:

Regarding what I would do differently if I had it to do over again,
when Beatriz asked for the Board to nominate her for General Secretary
of the Americas, I would ask if she was going to work for the election
of Bessel Kok, and if obtaining a negative answer, would not support
her candidacy. I didn't ask this question because, having voted to
endorse Bessel there seemed no doubt that she would work for our policy
of favoring his election.

To Gregory:

I am not "trying to change another Executive Board member's mind." My
concern is not that Beatriz favors neutrality in the FIDE election,
rather it is that Beatriz intends, in discussions with other
federations, to advance her personal views rather than the position of
her federation.

USCF's most important objective at the Turin meetings is the election
of Bessel Kok. It would be foolish for us to spend thousands of dollars
in expense money to send a "representative" to these meetings who would
undermine our position by supporting neutrality in the FIDE election.

Bill Goichberg


Dear Mr. Alexander,

This matter is about Beatriz' Marinello's high-handed flaunting of a
clear USCF policy and then threatening to grandstand about it at the
FIDE General Assembly after she failed to get the Board to make an
exception for her. When the Board votes (unanimously in this case!) to
support a FIDE candidate it is a long standing policy that USCF
representatives to international bodies are to support the official
USCF position. Ms. Marinello had a principled way to deal with this
available to her at all times - she could have and should have
refrained from going to Turin rather than putting the USCF and the
Bessel Kok campaign in such a bad position.

Joel Channing

So it is clear that Marinello was lying to her fellow board members to
vote for her. Once she got the nomination, she ****ed them over by
using USCF money to further her own political career. Marinello should
not be trusted. She's a ****ing lying pig who has no shame. Resign now!
She's now supporting a murderer like Ilyumzhinov because he bought her.

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Beatriz, My comments on Kirsan are how I feel. I used this non chess
argument with just one nation. You are right, it may not be a good
campaign issue.

Otherwise, I have written letters and personally contacted about fifty
countries. Many of them nations whose delegates are friendly to you.
Never once did I use anything other than a chess argument to peruade
the voters. But you are changing the subject. We are NOT talking about
whether I am campaigning well or not. Let's just assume I'm not - so
what. The point is, that has nothing to do with the position you took
at the Board meeting..

At the Board meeting, you took a position of neutrality on the FIDE
election. You moved to withdraw your vote of support of Bessel. You
told us that you would contest the USCF failure to endorse your
candidacy for General Secretary of the Americas by appealing to the
FIDE General Assembly. You said that you believed this would destroy
our Delegate Bill Kelleher's chances to again win a seat on FIDE's
Executive Council. When challenged you said you were not bluffing. You
successfully convinced us that you would take these actions that would
hurt the USCF if we did not back off. All this is on tape and cannot be
denied. You demonstrated that you were so interested in getting the
Americas General Secretary seat that you would do these things to
achieve that end. These are the problems that caused us to be upset
with you. And you then wrote a letter in English and Spanish and posted
it on the Internet. Why? To tell the world how bad we are because we
want to nominate you to an important position representing the USCF
only if you represent the official positions of the USCF and not your
own ideas on what is best for the uSCF. By publishing that letter on
the Internet you literally forced us to publicly respond, defend
ourselves and condemn you. You left us no other choice.. Why you are
doing this? You are hurting USCF and yourself.

Don

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