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Is it true that USCF's new building is under a rigged up soning to
the effect that the building can only be sold as a HQ for a national
non-profit sports organization recognized by a world body, etc., as
reported by Sam Sloan in another thread?
I'm inclined to doubt it because zoning changes come with advance
public notice. Was there such notice and did any of the Board know
about it ahead of time?

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Is it true that USCF's new building is under a rigged up soning to
the effect that the building can only be sold as a HQ for a national
non-profit sports organization recognized by a world body, etc., as
reported by Sam Sloan in another thread?
I'm inclined to doubt it because zoning changes come with advance
public notice. Was there such notice and did any of the Board know
about it ahead of time?


I thought it said that it could only be sold *as an office building* that
way, but that it could be sold as an industrial building without
restriction.


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DON SCHULTZ IN NOLANLAND

From board minutes of 8/11/05:


"Further discussion ensued regarding the industrial zoning for the
Crossville land. Currently the land can only be sold for industrial or
membership organization purposes. Joel Channing pointed out that this
is very limiting and that we should have the right to sell it as an
office building. Harry Sabine replied that it was originally zoned
recreational but was changed when the soccer organization that
originally was interested in the property backed out and USCF became a
factor. It required all owners in the tract to agree to allow the
change. Renegotiation would again require the same process. All owners
would need to be located and agree to the change. A single objection
would prevent the change in zoning."

Don Schultz

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STUCK IN CROSS-TO-BEAR

Renegotiation would again require the same process. All owners
would need to be located and agree to the change. A single objection
would prevent the change in zoning. -- Don Schultz

And so, there you have it.

The USCF can sell to another national membership
organization that wants a small, wooden building with
a brick facade for about a million or so bucks, all
told. This national organization will have to wantr
to settle near the Cumberland Gap. Otherwise ....

Sam Sloan's original estimate for the cost of the
move to Cross-to-Bear was $750,000. That estimate, if
one counts any further construction at the Federation
site to enlarge the small building, will be exceeded
by several hundred thousand bucks.

As for opportunity costs? Sam and this writer
are to be criticized for failing to imagine just how
crooked and messed up this move to the wilderness
was in its warp and woof.

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FROM NOLANLAND

"Further discussion ensued regarding the industrial zoning for the
Crossville land. Currently the land can only be sold for industrial or
membership organization purposes. Joel Channing pointed out that this
is very limiting and that we should have the right to sell it as an
office building. Harry Sabine replied that it was originally zoned
recreational but was changed when the soccer organization that
originally was interested in the property backed out and USCF became a
factor. It required all owners in the tract to agree to allow the
change. Renegotiation would again require the same process. All owners
would need to be located and agree to the change. A single objection
would prevent the change in zoning." -- Don Schultz, quoting board
minutes of 8/11/05.

That's interesting. I never knew that another party was offered the
same land before the USCF was (instead of being an exclusive offer for
the USCF). I wonder if the USSF was offered the same deal? Did they say
why they decided to back out?
-- Steve Immitt

I am only guessing but the land doesnt appear flat enough to be
useable for soccer fields. Blasting the ground rock or hauling in a lot
of fill to level the ground doesn't seem economical either. -- Grant
Perks



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Zoning and limitations on reselling may actually be a good thing to the
extent that it would prevent a disgruntled faction from selling the
property and moving else where. It will serve the purpose it was ment
to serve, head quarters for the USCF. Tennessee is not the arm pit of
the universe.

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National Head Quarter's should be in Washington DC, but regardless of
the relative merits of Crossville and New Windsor we are faced with a
fait accompli. Seriously, though Zoning laws usually reflect local
conditions and needs. Property doesn't have to be bought and sold it
can be leased, traded, or exchanged. Equity is there and zoning laws
do change.

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I know that should be Head Quarters rather than Head Quarter's.

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samsloan wrote:
wrote:
Zoning and limitations on reselling may actually be a good thing to the
extent that it would prevent a disgruntled faction from selling the
property and moving else where. It will serve the purpose it was ment
to serve, head quarters for the USCF. Tennessee is not the arm pit of
the universe.


Please note that the USCF Headquarters was in Orange County, New York,
first in Newburgh and then in New Windsor, for 38 years from 1967 to
2005.

Then two disgruntaled board members, each elected for one year terms,
Randy Bauer and Elizabeth Shaughnessy, provided the swing votes to sell
a 12,000 square foot brick building in New Windsor for $513,000 and
replace it with a 5,000 square foot wooden building in Crossville,
Tennessee which cost $650,000 to build.


Typical Sloan inability to recite basic facts. The decision to sell
the building in New Windsor had been in the works long before Elizabeth
and I joined the Executive Board, and it was necessary both because of
the expense required to repair the building, the fact it had
significantly more space than USCF required once it got out of the
books and equipment business, and because the USCF needed the financial
liquidity at the time.

Further, far from providing the "swing vote" to move to Crossville, I
voted to delay for two weeks a decision on the location in Crossville -
the vote was 4-3 against delay. I then abstained, along with Don
Schultz, on the vote to move to Crossville. That vote was 4-1 with two
abstentions.

Parr always tells us how quickly and graciously Sloan retracts his
obvious errors. Yeah, when pigs fly.

Randy Bauer


This move was obviously destructive and indeed maliceous.

Now, you think it is appropriate to lock us into this ridiculous
location and to prevent "disgruntled" board members from moving it to a
reasonable location.

Sam Sloan


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