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The result of FIDE voting was so predictable
that it is hard to call it depressing. And still,
it is depressing! Why? Because the chess
world is the world in miniature. If it is so hard
to make any sense withing the chess world
then it feels hopeless for the world at large.

(True, the chess politics attracts the
political losers, who are unable to succeed
in the real life and big politics).

In order to have a nice chess world there
have to be strong chess players who are
not dependent on the bureaucratic pigs
of the chess world. Thus I am curious about
the number of grandmasters and International
masters who do not need the money coming
from their chess activities. They could
organize matches and tournaments among
themselves. It'd be nice. I am sure that
they would soon attract sponsors and
semi-professional players. Once the avalanche
starts it will overtake the chess world in no
time!

Thus I wonder if there are about twenty GMs
plus some IMs who would say: to hell with
the murderer who is leading FIDE. They would
be the germ of the new and nice chess world.
But they would have to be ready to give up
the money from FIDE covered by blood. They
would have to be ready to give up their
chance on getting any title or anything from
the stinking FIDE or even from a national chess
organization such as stinking USCF.

Regards,

Wlod

PS. It is amazing how easily they would be
able to organize new, natural chess life, in
\the nmost straightforward way, without any
politics and power games (there would simply
be NO money or anything for the chess
politicians; and once the independent chess
movement would get large then finally there
would be a very-very reasonable, LOW fee for
the rating, perhaps paid by the organizers &
sponsors of the tournaments and matches).

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Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod) wrote:

... Thus I am curious about
the number of grandmasters and International
masters who do not need the money coming
from their chess activities. They could
organize matches and tournaments among
themselves. It'd be nice. I am sure that
they would soon attract sponsors and
semi-professional players. Once the avalanche
starts it will overtake the chess world in no
time!

Thus I wonder if there are about twenty GMs
plus some IMs who would say: to hell with
the murderer who is leading FIDE. They would
be the germ of the new and nice chess world.
But they would have to be ready to give up
the money from FIDE covered by blood. They
would have to be ready to give up their
chance on getting any title or anything from
the stinking FIDE or even from a national chess
organization such as stinking USCF.



Oddly enough, these GMs and IMs would simply be high-rated
players if they were truly separated from FIDE, which is the source
of such internationally recognised titles as "GM" and "IM".

In fact, it is still FIDE which has control of the international
ratings system, so they would possibly cease to be high-
rated players in terms of FIDE ratings.

Larry Parr (and I think, Larry Evans) has long advocated
dropping out of FIDE to disempower them, to escape their evil
grasp. Yet subtracting *money* from chess players is not
likely to help this cause. You could try to substitute non-FIDE
money, however. But the source of replacement money could
suffer similar problems of corruption.

If you take out the money, what will likely happen is that the
best chess players will gravitate toward FIDE for the money,
and their absence will tend to undermine the reputation of the
new organisation in so far as which org is the really real deal.

We got a taste of this sort of thing when Kasparov and Short
left FIDE twisting in the wind, over money. Having successfully
escaped FIDE's evil grasp, Gary then became a wannabe
dictator of his own separate organisation, which ultimately
crumbled. Guess who's in charge of the WC title now? FIDE.
The same folks who once ran away crying "corruption!" later
eagerly jumped into bed with Campomanes, when it suited
their purpose.

Perhaps the world championship title which FIDE controls
will one day lose its importance, and chess ability will largely
be judged based on something else. If that ever happens,
FIDE could be demoted to just organising the Olympiads and
establishing/interpretting the official rules of the game.

What can really be done about corruption when some people
have immense amounts of money to inject into the game? I
don't have an answer. Suppose Bill Gates started giving away
a fantastic checkers program which, however, only ran on
Microsoft Windows? Not much anybody can do unless they
first become incedibly rich.


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Not much anybody can do unless they
first become incredibly rich.


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I am a multi millionaire having a FIDE revolution on St Kitts and
Nevis. Does that qualify as incredibly rich? Our Swiss attorney bills
costs us 450 dollars per hour in US dollars. She is quite polite. Swiss
attorneys seem to be easier to deal with than US lawyers. We have an
international law firm with offices all over the world, and we are
going to win some kind of concessions from FIDE. FIDE has banned us
from the 2006 World Chess Championship. Nobody on ST Kitts and Nevis
can play in the world chess championship.

Not much anyone can do to appeal a minor FIDE decision unless they are
incredibly rich, and incredibly patient. It will take us more money and
much more time to fight FIDE to even be able to play in the 2008 World
Chess Championship. No money, no chess, and it is FIDE corruption at
the highest levels (General Secretary, FIDE President - Kirsan). The
biggest problem for a new national chess federation is your legal bill
with FIDE. FIDE doesn't want us because we are a black nation. The
Olympic Charter guarantees St Kitts and Nevis the right to play chess,
FIDE just ignores the law. NOBODY ON ST KITTS AND NEVIS CAN PLAY IN THE
2006 WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP, even though we APPLIED ON TIME, WE WERE
REFUSED EVEN A HEARING, as requested by FIDE Vice President Steven
Doyle.

We have no idea when the next Presidential Board is meeting. They have
the power to provisional admit us, and let us play in the world chess
championship. The date and location of the next Presidential Board
meeting is secret. You have to pay FIDE money (bribes) to get in the
Presidential Board meeting to talk about your application for
admission; I won't pay the bribes, so I had to hire a law firm in
Zurich. When I say bribes, I mean that the FIDE Presidential Board
meeting is by invitation only, unless you have the right business
connections. I see pictures of other FIDE Delegates at the meetings; I
just don't know how they got in the secret meeting or how much money
they paid to get in the meeting, if any. The FIDE Presidential Board
refused me access to their meeting last April to discuss our
application for admission. I assume had I offered to pay FIDE money (a
bribe) I would have gotten into the meeting. In fact, you can bribe
FIDE and become a Life Member of FIDE for around 700,000 dollars (US -
or so I have heard) in the form of a contribution to Kirsan or FIDE.
Being a Life Member of FIDE Gives you a seat in the FIDE General
Assembly.

So, had I sad, Kirsan, I want to give FIDE 700,000 dollars and be a
Life Member of FIDE, I could have probably gotten into the last April
Presidential Board meeting. However, I appear to already have a claim
to membership in the FIDE General Assembly as a Delegate, so why do I
have to pay the bribe?

I could be wrong about the term bribe, but I know that you have to pay
FIDE money to get the rights to defend yourself before the Presidential
Board. You either pay FIDE money or your lawyer money.

I still don't have the refund for my hotel in Turin. FIDE has refused
to refund a large amount of money to me.

Marcus Roberts
President
Charleston Chess Association, LLC
Permanent Delegate of St Kitts and Nevis to FIDE
St Kitts and Nevis
The West Indies

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PS. At $450/h I would attempt to be
Polite too, except that I am allergic to
Bull****, including yours.


I tried to be really nice to FIDE, and I was cheated out of a non
trivial amount of money on a Kirsan approved deal to have me go to
Italy to be able to play in the 2006 World Chess Championship. I was
backstabbed. I don't want to tell all of the details, I could write a
book.

In a nutshell, I tried to be nice. FIDE does not want us to join. So, I
am going to have to defend my rights with the help of our law firm. The
real issue will be how Kirsan responds to our initial fax. He has the
power to turn the situation into a compromise. Right now, we can not
play, and being polite and nice and professional cost me over 2,000
dollars. FIDE refused to negotiate, period. All they sent was an e-mail
of four sentences on April 26 and refused to utter one word since then.

The situation is very politically complex, but yet simple to
understand: ST KITTS AND NEVIS IS BEING ILLEGALLY DENIED THE RIGHT TO
PLAY IN THE 2006 WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP. Article V of the Olympic
Charter, which FIDE ratified in 1999, guarantees us the right to play
chess. I just wanted to say that good people are getting screwed over
in FIDE, and when I get admitted, I am going to try to do something
positive as opposed to rant and rave and get nothing for your efforts.

So, now to be really nice means that I send FIDE no more e-mail or
faxes. That is the job of our law firm.

The best thing to do is for me to to quit sending them messages. I'll
hear from them soon enough. So, I quit sending FIDE messages when my
attorney took over the case.

One day, we will be able to talk about real chess issues with our world
chess association - just not today.

Honest, no bull****.

Marcus Roberts



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The Olympic Charter guarantees St Kitts and Nevis the right to play chess,
FIDE just ignores the law. NOBODY ON ST KITTS AND NEVIS CAN PLAY IN THE
2006 WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP, even though we APPLIED ON TIME, WE WERE
REFUSED EVEN A HEARING, as requested by FIDE Vice President Steven
Doyle.

We have no idea when the next Presidential Board is meeting. They have
the power to provisional admit us, and let us play in the world chess
championship. The date and location of the next Presidential Board
meeting is secret. You have to pay FIDE money (bribes) to get in the
Presidential Board meeting to talk about your application for
admission; I won't pay the bribes, so I had to hire a law firm in
Zurich. When I say bribes, I mean that the FIDE Presidential Board
meeting is by invitation only, unless you have the right business
connections.


Hey, I have a great idea, one I will bet you never thought of.

Why don't you get somebody from St Kitts and Nevis to go to a FIDE
Presidential Board meeting.

I have attended many Presidential Board meetings and I will be able to
get him in.

I will just whisper into the ear of my dear friend Steve Doyle and he
will let this person into the meeting.

Better yet, rather than pay a Swiss Lawyer $450 per hour, with my
influence he will get into the meeting and that $450 will be enough to
pay for his air ticket to get this person to the meeting.

Sam Sloan

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I will just whisper into the ear of my dear friend Steve Doyle and he
will let this person into the meeting.


Sam Sloan


Sam, Doyle is no longer a Vice President of FIDE. You have no idea what
is going on. Steven Doyle's term as a FIDE VP has expired. You are
unaware of critical infromation as a VERY WELL EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE
for the Executive Board. You lose so much, you have to have an immense
experience in losing USCF elections. I won 2 elections, and lost 2
(excluding the minor offices). In that, I learned. Since you have never
held office, you don't understand why it is important to PAY ATTENTION.
JUST HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU LOST?

You are supposed to know these facts, and when you don't know who is
the most powerful FIDE politican who is an American and who just lost
his job, you clearly will never be in the clique.

Why did you not know Doyle's term had ended? Are you running for the
Executive Committee, or running from the Crazy House.?

Marcus Roberts

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You are supposed to know these facts, and when you don't know who is
the most powerful FIDE politican who is an American and who just lost
his job, you clearly will never be in the clique.

Why did you not know Doyle's term had ended? Are you running for the
Executive Committee, or running from the Crazy House.?

Marcus Roberts


Of course I know that Doyle's term has ended. You are the one who
complained that Doyle would not let you into the meeting.

I am curious to know who is in your view "the most powerful FIDE
politican who is an American and who just lost his job".

I know that I really should never respond to postings by Marcus
Roberts, but in a moment of weakness I responded to this one.

Sam Sloan

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Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (wlod) wrote:
PS. At $450/h I would attempt to be polite too, except that I am
alergic to bull****, including yours.


Yeah, but with a few hours' work, you could earn enough to visit a
really good allergy specialist. After that initial investment,
everything else would be pure profit!


Dave.

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Wlod wrote:
"Not at all! The source of corruption is the
unnecessary, counterprofuctive, centralised,
everything-controlling bureaucratic organization.
The superficial, very false assumptions of such
an organization force its dishonesty and its autocratic leanings."

"counterprofuctive" ... what an absolutely delightful neologism.

Cheers,
zdrakec

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