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No more any FIDE, USCF, etc.

For the professional, semi-professional
and competitive chess players there will
be chess centers, equiped with PCs, fast
Internet connections, and certified to
a different degree, depending on what
level of competition they would serve.

Short and long distance games (tournament,
matches, ...) will be played in a (partially)
decentralized way, from different chess
centers.

The chess clubs perhaps will be local
affairs but they don't have to be. Chess
clubs can rent the chess centers for their
meetings, e.g. five players in Seattle
and five from Silicon Valley, plus four
from San Diego may form a chess club
and meet in their three local chess centers
once a week, at the same time. They
may rent just one room in the respective
centers.

The same goes for tournaments.
Even two players, who participate
from the same center may still
decide on playing via Internet or
from different rooms anyway. Rubinstein
would like it! :-)

In some non-metropolitan cities
the centers may serve different
games, not just chess alone.

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Granmasters are like that monkey
with its hand in a jar with a coconut --
it cannot get the hand with the coconut
from the jar, but it will not let it go. The
monkey is imprisoned. The jar is called
FIDE. Perhaps it is not a coconut but grain.
So, they do get some occasionally.
And that's enough for the perpetuation
of the humiliating state of affairs.

Wlod

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In addition to public rating lists
(as we have them today, e.g. ICC
and many others), there will be
a hierarchy of professional rating
lists. It should be ralatively easy to
be admitted top the lowest and largest
of the professional lists, to list PL0.

I will not go into details, its premature.
But even for the games played for rating
on the lowest professional there should
already be a reasonable assurance that
they are clean. This can be provided still
cheaply by the chess centers.

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Members of the lowest list PL0 who played
enough of the games, and who for, say,
12 consecutive games managed to stay
in the top 10% of the list, get accepted to
the next level list, to PL1. Their (rated)
games from now on will be rated forever on
both lists, even when a player gets much
weaker (the rating function will make their
games insignificant for LP1, while perhaps
significant for LP0 due to the relevance
coefficient).

Again, after a sufficient number of games
rated on list LP1, the player who for 12
consecutive games stayed in the top 10%
of LP1 gets admitted to LP2.

Etc.

I am describing this idea crudely,
imprecisely, and without details.
Nevertheless belonging to a high
level list PLn would be an honor
similar to today's titles and classifications.

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Naturally, the higher lists would have higher
standards for the integrity of the conditions
under which they are played. It's plausible
because there would be way fewer of them
than of the games rated on the lower level.

One would compare the strongest players
by checking the highest PL_SuperGMs
list. It would be still interesting how do they
do on the lower lists, how strong is the
correlation between their positions on
different lists.

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Since the strong players would not risk their
high-list rating (which would be to them the
most important one by far) by playing weaker
players, they would do so perhaps more willingly
than today.

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The 21 century system would press players
into playing also the opponents selected
by the system, e.g. for the purpose of player's
promotion to the next list or for other advantages
like invitations to the tournaments, etc.
Perhaps, as a general rule, one should try
to play someone who is placed on the list
near by, and with whom one has played the
least number of games from her/his entire
rating neighborhood.

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If the rating system is done properly
then playing for the rating and playing
for the sake of chess should more or
less coincide.

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Wlod

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Different rating systems give different ratings. It would be
interesting to find relation among the two rating system.

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Sanny wrote:
Different rating systems give different ratings. It would be
interesting to find relation among the two rating system.


Hm, there used to be two ratings for the
top players: FIDE rating and one from
the Kasparov's organization. To my surprise,
the two differed quite a bit, with a player
ranked in the first ten on one list being
around place 30 on the other, and similar.
Was it because they rated different events?
Because I don't believe that it was due to the
difference of the rating functions--different but
reasonable rating functions should place players
almost in the same order.

Regards,

Wlod

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How would such a system be financed?

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Wlod, you still did not explain how these chess centers would be
financed. How much would it cost to set up one center, who would make
such an investment, and how would such a center make enough money to
justify the investment?

R S Haas

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Wlod, you still did not explain how these chess centers
would be financed. How much would it cost to set up
one center, who would make such an investment, and
how would such a center make enough money to
justify the investment?

R S Haas


I am not any businessman but let me try
(go ahead, laugh at it, as long as you
provide a better analysis).

Let me consider an average, rather lower end,
chess center.

Let it serve an area, where there are 120 active
chess player, of which 60 have joined two local
chess clubs. The center will have one large room
(or a hall), for 15-21 boards (5-7 large tables),
and another room with 8-10 PC, with a fast
internet connection (should dumb terminals be
revived?!). It should also have a bathroom
either on its premises or outside but easily
accessible. Also a place to hang your coat
(no such problem in the Southern US).

Each chess club would meet at the center one
evening per week. Each would pay $30/month
($1 per member) monthly for this privilege (i.e.
club dues would include $12 per member to cover
the chess center; club member dues may be
then anywhere form $16 to $20 per year).

Thus the center club would get a total of $60
per month from the two clubs.

The center would charge $1 per each individual
visit (outside the club meetings). It's reasonable
to assume about 10 visits per day, 20 days per
month, for a total of additional $200 per month.

So far we get $60 + $200 = $260 per month.

The club may have some food machines, may
serve donoughts, coffee, ... and make a profit
of about $400 per month. It may also sell chess
supplies, books, mags, chess computers... and
should make a profit of about $100 per month.

So far we get:

$60 + $200 + $400 + $100 = $760

There can be weekly tournaments, two 1-day and
two 2-day tournaments. The club would charge
$5 and $10 per player respectively. It should
bring about $600 per month.

So far the center gets:

$760 + $600 = $1360 per month

Perhaps about 20 players of the 120 would
be addicted to the pro competition, so that
they would play about 10 professionally rated
games per month, and some other players
would play some two. Counting on 250 rated
games per month at $4 per game which would
go to the center (the rating organization would
charge an additional quarter or 25 cents per game).
it amounts to a $1000 per month.

Thus the center's regular monthly profit would
be about $2360.

***

There may be special lucrative occasions when
the center would earn extra $$.

Sometimes the room with PCs may be used
as the extension of the playing room/hall, to
set there 2-3 tables (6-9 boards; you'd remove
the PCs if necessary).

Some other activities may take place at the
center too: lectures, simultaneous displays...

***

Certain high level matches may be transmitted
in the real time to chess centers only (like boxing
matches on closed tv circuits). The rest of the
world would find out about the game only after
it's over.

***

Instead of a realtively small chess center
one may run a larger game center for chess,
bridge, poker, backgammon, weiqi...

***

The initial cost of setting up a chess center,
as described above, should be easily under $10K.

And the per month cost is the hard one.
The rent would be from $900 to $1500 per month in most
of the US.The total mantaining cost per
month would be about $1600
-$2200.

And there is still the issue of the
referees who'd watch the professionally
rated games. Would they do it for a beer
or occasional dinner?

***

Possibly some computer/software companies
would partially sponsor such centers.

***

Regards,

Wlod

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