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From a wise old cowboy, Harry Payne on the USCF Issues Forum. The last
two paragraphs say it all:


"I am always amazed by, Paul's claims of greatness in promoting spice.
It does not show in the finances claimed in the tax information, unless
somehow they are not getting claimed, or shown. Spice's biggest output
seems to be in using the name of Texas Tech. And their jobs there, Susan
is to be a Chess Coach, an Paul PR for Spice (Not Texas Tech.). To this
point I have not heard of any great improvement in T.T.'s Chess team. I
have heard of one major sponsor who stated he was not putting any money
in spice, because of the actions and responses of Susan and Paul to his
inquiries.

I do remember Paul's claims, during the campaign, of some "Million
Dollar Deals" But have heard nothing since.

I have also heard about Paul's great expertise in the Chess promotion
field, but have failed to see much of that. I remember Paul's claims of
some great promotional plans he had for the USCF,(That would be
implemented when he was elected) But I have not seen any of those, or
even heard about a proposal. I have ask several in the USCF, and they
have not heard or seen anything. At some time it would seem to be time
to stop talking and start showing. If one walks around saying I am a man
long enough, sooner or later someone is bound to say "Prove it"
All I have seen since the election is what I saw before the election
from Susan and Paul "Nothing" Now I hear the same things I heard before
the election. How the dirty politicians are stopping them from
accomplishing anything, how bad the USCF is, what awful members (the
ones paying the bills) are.

About the many terrible threats and abuse Susan's children are suffering
from those majority of the EB, and their political friends, How those
dirty politicians are framing Paul, and will not allow him to defend
himself. How Paul has the answer to the financial problems the USCF is
facing, and how quickly Paul could fix that problem.

I am amazed how a man with such great PR skills, and money making
abilities, is working for his wife, who is a chess coach, at Texas Tech.

I think all the problems would be solved if Paul went out into the job
market, went to work, made some of those "Million Dollar Deals" he is
always referring to, and give a little to Spice, and the USCF. I mean he
has loads of those deals going all the time, He says. IMO"
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SO WHAT?

About the many terrible threats and abuse Susan's

children are suffering.... -- Brian Lafferty

This posting by Brian Lafferty gives me a chance
to talk about an earlier attack on Truong and
Polgar over the treatment of Susan's children.

Apparently the courts, which today have managed
to wedge their way increasingly into private homes,
adopted some remedy because it was reported that
Tabasco or some peppery compound were used as
punishments.

So what? That was my reaction.

As a kid, I received one whipping from my father
-- who today at 91 1/2 lives with us more or less
happily here in Kuala Lumpur -- that led to bad
blistering and infected wounds on the back of my legs.
I had to go to a doctor for injections and treatments.
Of course, no court ever became involved.

I can report that I never repeated the noxious
behavior (slinging an Italian meatball, well-sauced,
with a spoon that landed between the heads
of my parents and lodged in the back collar of a
restaurant customer seated behind my parents) that
led to the "child abuse."

Over here in SE Asia, using red peppers for
punishment purposes is not unusual among parents
and takes the place of beatings.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am NOT defending
Truong-Polgar as parents. They may be monsters
or ethereal, diaphanous angels of the finest gossamer
-- for all I know.

My objection is to the entire business of using an
American court ruling to tar and feather parents. Our
courts go way too far in trying to push the power of
government into private homes and, as at Waco and Ruby
Ridge, will tell lies beyond lies to pursue an agenda,
which may include mass arrest or murder of resisters
or polygamists.
..
Several years back, while in Bangkok, we were
visiting some American friends and got caught in an
October cloudburst. The streets were five feet deep
in water. Our two kids were quite young as were the
two children of our friends. We put the four in a
large bathtub and they played with the usual rubber
duckies and splashed about. I took a bunch of photos.
Later, I was told by an officious American woman
employed at a child welfare agency in New York that I
could be charged with some kind of sexual offense. I told
the woman to charge me and she then backed down.

Once again, I did not like the practice of
intruding into home life by a court being used as
a ploy to degrade Truong-Polgar.

Yours, Larry Parr



Brian Lafferty wrote:
From a wise old cowboy, Harry Payne on the USCF Issues Forum. The last
two paragraphs say it all:


"I am always amazed by, Paul's claims of greatness in promoting spice.
It does not show in the finances claimed in the tax information, unless
somehow they are not getting claimed, or shown. Spice's biggest output
seems to be in using the name of Texas Tech. And their jobs there, Susan
is to be a Chess Coach, an Paul PR for Spice (Not Texas Tech.). To this
point I have not heard of any great improvement in T.T.'s Chess team. I
have heard of one major sponsor who stated he was not putting any money
in spice, because of the actions and responses of Susan and Paul to his
inquiries.

I do remember Paul's claims, during the campaign, of some "Million
Dollar Deals" But have heard nothing since.

I have also heard about Paul's great expertise in the Chess promotion
field, but have failed to see much of that. I remember Paul's claims of
some great promotional plans he had for the USCF,(That would be
implemented when he was elected) But I have not seen any of those, or
even heard about a proposal. I have ask several in the USCF, and they
have not heard or seen anything. At some time it would seem to be time
to stop talking and start showing. If one walks around saying I am a man
long enough, sooner or later someone is bound to say "Prove it"
All I have seen since the election is what I saw before the election
from Susan and Paul "Nothing" Now I hear the same things I heard before
the election. How the dirty politicians are stopping them from
accomplishing anything, how bad the USCF is, what awful members (the
ones paying the bills) are.

About the many terrible threats and abuse Susan's children are suffering
from those majority of the EB, and their political friends, How those
dirty politicians are framing Paul, and will not allow him to defend
himself. How Paul has the answer to the financial problems the USCF is
facing, and how quickly Paul could fix that problem.

I am amazed how a man with such great PR skills, and money making
abilities, is working for his wife, who is a chess coach, at Texas Tech.

I think all the problems would be solved if Paul went out into the job
market, went to work, made some of those "Million Dollar Deals" he is
always referring to, and give a little to Spice, and the USCF. I mean he
has loads of those deals going all the time, He says. IMO"

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On Apr 20, 9:08 am, " wrote:
SO WHAT?

About the many terrible threats and abuse Susan's children are suffering.... -- Brian Lafferty


This posting by Brian Lafferty gives me a chance
to talk about an earlier attack on Truong and
Polgar over the treatment of Susan's children.

Once again, I did not like the practice of
intruding into home life by a court being used as
a ploy to degrade Truong-Polgar.

Yours, Larry Parr


Larry Parr is missing the big case:

It is known and the sisters have confessed that Papa Polgar used to
beat them to force them to play chess and study chess and it was
living Hell to live in that home where they were not allowed to go out
and associate and play with other kids their ages. Of course, this is
what made them great chess players. Otherwise, they would be working
as office secretaries somewhere today.

And now, Susan Polgar is applying to her children the same techniques
that were applied to her, forcing her kids to play chess. Problem is
that her kids are boys who are often not as compliant as girls and the
youngest one does not like chess and has complained to the
authorities.

What Larry Parr is missing is the big Texas case going on right now
where 416 children were taken from their parents and put into foster
care solely and entirely because their families were living in or
associated with a polygamous life style:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8989851

These 416 are in most cases refugees who escaped when a similar
compound was raided along the Arizona Utah border.

In the vast majority of countries and societies of the world polygamy
was practiced and in most cases still is. Here in the US it is not
allowed. We only have girlfriends.

I am sure you have lots of it over in Malaysia where you are. How many
wives do you have, by the way? Just wondering.

I have been doing research on my family history and I have found three
instances of my ancestors who had an unusually large number of
children.

All of them lived in the 1700s. None of them were related to each
other. None of them were involved in any funny religions. They were
all straight-line Methodists or Presbyterians. Some were preachers.

One of these was Andrew Graham who arrived in America in 1772. He was
married four times. Three of his wives were named Margaret. He has
more than 7,000 descendants alive today, which may explain why there
are so many people nowadays named Graham.

I have a book out about this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891072

My research tends to show that most men had no children at all and a
few men had very large numbers of children, some men producing more
than 20 children.

My question is: Would the human race have survived at all and would
any of us be alive today had it not been for those few men who
produced large numbers of children?

The other question is: Some would say that Polgar is guilty of beating
his kids to force them to play chess. Suppose he beat the kids to
force them to learn their math tables or to do their homework or to
practice the piano. Would he still be considered guilty?

Sam Sloan
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What Larry Parr is missing is the big Texas case going on right now
where 416 children were taken from their parents and put into foster
care solely and entirely because their families were living in or
associated with a polygamous life style:


Nice try, but that's not the sole entire reason. Underage girls being
forced to illegally marry middle-aged men, and begin forced to have
sex, is a big part of the reason. BTW, some people actually read
newspapers and/or watch the news on TV. Who do you think you're
fooling with your crock?
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On Apr 22, 11:55 am, wrote:

Nice try, but that's not the sole entire reason. Underage girls being
forced to illegally marry middle-aged men, and begin forced to have
sex, is a big part of the reason. BTW, some people actually read
newspapers and/or watch the news on TV. Who do you think you're
fooling with your crock?


What do you mean by 'forced'? Think about that before insulting
someone. But people like you just think whatever the media tells you
to think.

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On Apr 22, 8:33 am, samsloan wrote:

Larry Parr is missing the big case


Dog bites man.


It is known and the sisters have confessed that Papa Polgar used to
beat them to force them to play chess and study chess and it was
living Hell to live in that home where they were not allowed to go out
and associate and play with other kids their ages. Of course, this is
what made them great chess players. Otherwise, they would be working
as office secretaries somewhere today.


So then, young women in Hungary who are not
forced to learn learn chess all end up in this same
profession?


And now, Susan Polgar is applying to her children the same techniques
that were applied to her, forcing her kids to play chess.


Normally, children who are not happy about the way
they were raised will try something different.


Problem is
that her kids are boys who are often not as compliant as girls and the
youngest one does not like chess and has complained to the
authorities.


What about checkers...or Chinese chess. Can't he
be forced to learn some other game he does like?


What Larry Parr is missing is the big Texas case going on right now
where 416 children were taken from their parents and put into foster
care solely and entirely because their families were living in or
associated with a polygamous life style


Polygamous? So, they must like /many/ different
/games/?


In the vast majority of countries and societies of the world polygamy
was practiced and in most cases still is.


I always hate it when a writer leaves out key links
to his "surveys" and deep research. I was especially
interested to know the exact percentages, but... .


Here in the US it is not allowed. We only have girlfriends.


Nonsense. Lots of wealthy men have many wives;
they just have them one after another, instead of at
the same time.


I have been doing research on my family history and I have found three
instances of my ancestors who had an unusually large number of
children.

All of them lived in the 1700s. None of them were related to each
other.


Interesting. So, none of Mr. Sloan's ancestors are
related to one another. This raises an interesting
question: how then does he know they really are
his ancestors?


None of them were involved in any funny religions.


I am awed by the fact that Mr. Sloan was able to
determine the religious beliefs of each and every one
of these "unrelated" ancestors of his, so far back in
time. WOW.


They were all straight-line Methodists or Presbyterians. Some were preachers.

One of these was Andrew Graham who arrived in America in 1772. He was
married four times. Three of his wives were named Margaret. He has
more than 7,000 descendants alive today, which may explain why there
are so many people nowadays named Graham.


Seven thousand is not very many, if that is the grand
total alive today; consider "Smith", for instance.


My research tends to show that most men had no children at all and a
few men had very large numbers of children, some men producing more
than 20 children.

My question is: Would the human race have survived at all and would
any of us be alive today had it not been for those few men who
produced large numbers of children?


I think this is wrong-headed thinking. Were it not
for these "over-achievers", those men who had no
children at all would very likely have gotten in on
the action.


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MODERN DAY NAZIS

those who are segregating children from their mothers on the
industrial scale? they're modern day nazis, i'd would say

Concerning the government's claims about the
polygamists in Texas, the initial answer is that the
amount of truth may be roughly the same as the FBI's
press releases on Waco.

To wit: virtually no truth.

The court proceedings were indeed Nazi-like.
Hundreds of children are ripped away from families in
a mass proceeding of condign punishment. If the
teenage pregnancy rate proves lower than in the
general population, I would not be surprised.

The militarization of law enforcement through
Department of Defense sales to local police
departments of armored personnel carriers and other
heavy weapons is widely discussed among civil
libertarians. The accustomed ranting response by the
cretinous crowd is why worry IF you have "done nothing wrong."

As for camera surveillance at street corners or
warrantless searches, why worry IF you have "done
nothing wrong."

The military operation against the polygamists
-- for the police tactics resembled such -- reminds me
of the reaction of the late Soviet government to a
discovery in the late 1950s of a colony of Old
Believers living peacefully in the forests of, if
memory serves, the Urals. These peaceful Orthodox
Christians had checked out of the surrounding society
of mass murder and socialist repression and had
established a place to live amid a vast forest. They
went undetected for decades.

When the Soviet state finally realized that such
a group had lived outside its grasp, it marched
detachments of KGB killers through the forested
mountains and, yes, took the children and, to be sure,
sent many of the parents to slave
labor camps.

The family at Ruby Ridge, the families at Waco,
and the families of the polygamists wished to secede,
if you will, from American civil society as it now
exists. This tradition was once common and free
enough in the United States. Historian Arthur Bestor
tells the story of these Backwoods Utopias in an
eponymous work. Readers can also consult earlier
works by the leftist Vernon Calverton.

What strikes one forcibly is how many
freedom-haters America has today spawned -- ranging
from those who support drug testing in chess as a form
of social intrusiveness to those who defend torching
dissenters at Waco or mass confiscation of children
from parents.

The next step Stateside will be the Israeli
practice of group punishment -- of which the recent
court actions against the polygamists will prove to be
a harbinger. If an evident majority of a town or city
supports forces that our central regime in Washington,
DC decides are, say, beyond the mainstream, then we
will have week-long curfews and snipers picking off
those in search of food and water.

Those who live to a fair age will witness such
events in our country.

One ventures to believe that a majority of
readers here likely support the concept of a
national security state. If confronted with Ben
Franklin's quotation that those who would trade
liberty for security will end up with neither -- well,
the response inside the brain, if there is still some
shame in expressing the words publicly, is that we
live in a different world than did Franklin.

Right. We actually live in a less dangerous
world with fewer mortal threats against our country
than existed in his time and that of the other Founders.

Americans once believed, by and large, in the
free life. A majority today prefers the values of
safety, security and equality. They will one day
discover that mass government offers dangers,
destroys personal security and, in the end, produces a
dominant class of bureaucratic tyrants in both public
and privately owned institutions. Inequality actually grows.

Yours, Larry Parr

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On Apr 22, 1:48 pm, wrote:

so far only a small number of pregnant underage girls were found

4 or 5 out of the 400+, that's 4 or 5%

what's the number in mainstream society?


Irrelevant, because in mainstream society, if an underage girl gets
herself pregnant, it's usually consensual - with no one else involved
except a boy around her own age. Here, fully-grown adults consipired
to create this situation, by controlling and limiting the girls'
choices.

So more serious criminality was involved; their pregnancies resulted
from activity that more closely resembled non-statutory rape.

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