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Old May 3rd 08, 06:56 AM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?

A week back Zebediah used to win in 20-30 moves but now the GetClubs
game was a bit improved now Zebediah takes 35 moves to win against the
Advance Level.

If you can spot any mistake in GetClubs game I can improve it further.

Please see the game and let me know which were the moves that were
wrong.

Advance Level thinks for 30 min/ move So it is very difficult for me
to find mistakes in Advance level game. Anyone having Commercial
program please do the analysis and let me know which were the moves
which were wrong by GetClub that Zebediah managed to win in just 34
moves.

Remember Advance level plays better than Rybka So you must analyze for
longer hours to give any good reasion.

I do not understand how zebediah manages to win Advance in just 35-40
Moves?


Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com

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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...903&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (advance)

1. e2-e4{6} c7-c5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{6} d7-d6{0}
3. d2-d4{4} c5-d4{0}
4. Nf3-d4{4} Ng8-f6{0}
5. Nb1-c3{6} e7-e5{2936}
6. Nd4-b5{26} a7-a6{1486}
7. Nb5-a3{4082} b7-b5{2074}
8. Nc3-d5{12} Bc8-e6{1688}
9. Bc1-g5{1676} Be6-d5{2220}
10. e4-d5{330} Qd8-a5{1444}
11. Bg5-d2{3038} Qa5-b6{1664}
12. c2-c4{188} Nb8-d7{1740}
13. c4-b5{104} Qb6-d4{2188}
14. Na3-c2{470} Qd4-d5{1930}
15. b5-a6{8} Qd5-e4{2428}
16. Bf1-e2{234} Ra8-c8{1372}
17. Nc2-e3{146} d6-d5{1470}
18. Ke1-g1{514} d5-d4{2022}
19. Ne3-g4{2370} Bf8-d6{2848}
20. Ng4-f6{40} Nd7-f6{1844}
21. Be2-b5{22} Ke8-f8{1570}
22. Ra1-c1{518} Qe4-a8{3138}
23. Rc1-c8{104} Qa8-c8{2868}
24. a6-a7{128} Nf6-d5{1558}
25. Qd1-g4{9374} Qc8-d8{2452}
26. Bb5-c6{410} Nd5-f6{1798}
27. Qg4-f5{136} Kf8-e7{2228}
28. Rf1-e1{78} Rh8-e8{1954}
29. Re1-e5{1294} Bd6-e5{2270}
30. Qf5-e5{164} Ke7-f8{2438}
31. Bc6-e8{34} d4-d3{2956}
32. Be8-c6{192} Nf6-d5{1938}
33. Qe5-d5{52} Qd8-d5{2212}
34. Bd2-b4{8990} Qd5-c6{0}
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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...903&game=Chess

After analyzing the game with Computer have you found any mistake in
Advance Levels Game?

Is it making Tactical Mistakes or it is doing Strategy Mistake. Please
Explain the mistake So that I really undersatand what went wrong.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


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Old May 7th 08, 12:30 PM posted to rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?

Sanny wrote:
A week back Zebediah used to win in 20-30 moves but now the GetClubs
game was a bit improved now Zebediah takes 35 moves to win against the
Advance Level.


But your program was already dead in the water at move 25. He just took
another 10 moves to finish it off.

If you can spot any mistake in GetClubs game I can improve it further.


The predictable spite checks do not help. He set up a position where the
spite check gets the queen into trouble and Getclub fell for it hook
line and sinker. Getclub also set about partially creating a trap for
its own queen which Zebediah did not exploit.

I do not understand how zebediah manages to win Advance in just 35-40
Moves?


He is a lot stronger than your program and possibly an anticomputer
specialist. He is winning in about 20 moves it take 35-40 before the
computer finally sees that.


Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com

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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...903&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (advance)

10. e4-d5{330} Qd8-a5{1444}


Spite check 10. ... Be7 was OK

13. c4-b5{104} Qb6-d4{2188}


Queen move when 13. ... Ne4 was better

16. Bf1-e2{234} Ra8-c8{1372}


16. .... d5 was better

18. Ke1-g1{514} d5-d4{2022}


d5 is asking for trouble by restricting queens mobility. It is all
downhill from here. Whites queenside pawns are already lethal.
19. Bf3 and blacks queen is struggling for safe squares.

18. ... Bc5 (or Bd6, Be7) about as good as there is

22. Ra1-c1{518} Qe4-a8{3138}


22. ... RxR 23. QxR Qa8 is better.

24. a6-a7{128} Nf6-d5{1558}


24. ... Qb7 or Ke7 or Ne4 are the least bad.

26. Bb5-c6{410} Nd5-f6{1798}


26. ... h5 makes the best of a bad job

Is it making Tactical Mistakes or it is doing Strategy Mistake. Please
Explain the mistake So that I really undersatand what went wrong.


It is a fairly simple tactical error. It isn't a good idea to move the
queen excessively, give spite checks that help your opponent to develop
minor pieces or to trap your own queen. And letting him grab a huge
queenside pawn advantage early on isn't very smart either.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Default Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?

It is a fairly simple tactical error. It isn't a good idea to move the
queen excessively, give spite checks that help your opponent to develop
minor pieces or to trap your own queen. And letting him grab a huge
queenside pawn advantage early on isn't very smart either.


After this game was played, GetClub was further improved

Now Zebediah takes 50-60 moves to win against the Advance Level. So I
find him playing with Master Level.

He is able to win Master Level in 35 Moves earlier He used to win
Advance Level in 35 moves So there is a great improvement in GetClubs
Game recently. Now, It Plays Roughly 4 times Stronger than earlier..

Game Played between zebediah and master at GetClub.com

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zebediah: (White)
master: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...011&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (master)

1. e2-e4{2} e7-e5{0}
2. Ng1-f3{4} Nb8-c6{0}
3. Bf1-c4{4} Ng8-f6{0}
4. Nf3-g5{22} d7-d5{334}
5. e4-d5{32} Nc6-b4{356}
6. d2-d4{308} Bc8-g4{528}
7. f2-f3{44} Bg4-f5{482}
8. Ke1-g1{302} Nf6-d5{362}
9. Nb1-c3{1088} b7-b5{0}
10. Bc4-b5{1468} c7-c6{616}
11. Bb5-a4{190} e5-d4{338}
12. Nc3-d5{222} Qd8-d5{474}
13. a2-a3{196} Bf8-d6{360}
14. Rf1-e1{136} Ke8-f8{758}
15. a3-b4{6} h7-h6{492}
16. Ng5-e4{220} Bd6-c7{692}
17. Ba4-b3{364} Qd5-d8{654}
18. Qd1-e2{608} Bc7-b6{458}
19. Kg1-h1{194} Kf8-g8{792}
20. Bc1-f4{946} Qd8-h4{560}
21. g2-g3{3580} Qh4-h3{0}
22. Ne4-f2{8} Qh3-h5{632}
23. g3-g4{70} Qh5-h4{670}
24. Bf4-g3{46} Qh4-g5{726}
25. g4-f5{6} Qg5-f5{354}
26. Nf2-e4{90} d4-d3{340}
27. c2-d3{50} Ra8-d8{360}
28. Ne4-d6{76} Rd8-d6{358}
29. Bg3-d6{8} Qf5-g6{656}
30. d3-d4{2784} Bb6-d4{388}
31. Ra1-d1{794} Qg6-d6{416}
32. Bb3-f7{70} Kg8-f7{384}
33. Rd1-d4{72} Qd6-f6{554}
34. Rd4-f4{898} Rh8-b8{502}
35. Rf4-f6{18} Kf7-f6{244}
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zebediah: (White)
master: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...011&game=Chess

There was a Tactical Mistake Else Master Level could have fought even
longer.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

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Default Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?

On May 2, 10:56 pm, Sanny wrote:


Game Played between zebediah and advance at GetClub.com

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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...903&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (advance)

1. e2-e4{6} c7-c5{0}
2. [etc]


Sanny, instead of the score provide a link
to the game, so that I can replay it on the
screen by click-clicking. Otherwise forget it.

Wlod
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On May 2, 10:56 pm, Sanny wrote:

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zebediah: (White)
advance: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...903&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(zebediah) -- (advance)

1. e2-e4{6} c7-c5{0}


Sanny, simply provide a link, so that
I will be able to replay the game on
the screen just by clicking on the moves.
Otherwise forget it.

Wlod


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Default Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?

Sanny, simply provide a link, so that
I will be able to replay the game on
the screen just by clicking on the moves.
Otherwise forget it.

* * Wlod


View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?
id=DM19903&game=Chess

I always give the link to Recorded game on top.

Bye
Sanny
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