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Old May 12th 08, 11:58 AM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default GetClub Normal Level played good moves but still lost the game.

Despite playing so good game GetClub was unable to stop TuringEngine
bring its Queen.

Normal Level which thinks for 1-2 min was unable to win.

There were lot of tactics in this game GetClub managed to bring equal
position. But in the end TuringEngine advanced its pawns and get
Queen.

Game Played between turingengine and normal at GetClub.com

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turingengine: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...092&game=Chess
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White -- Black
(turingengine) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
2. c2-c4{2} e7-e6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{4} Ng8-f6{0}
4. c4-d5{2} e6-d5{0}
5. Bc1-g5{2} Nb8-c6{96}
6. e2-e3{14} Bc8-e6{140}
7. Bf1-b5{44} Bf8-b4{146}
8. Qd1-a4{14} Be6-d7{154}
9. Ng1-e2{24} a7-a6{108}
10. Bb5-c6{8} Bb4-c3{186}
11. Ne2-c3{6} Bd7-c6{80}
12. Qa4-b3{22} Ke8-g8{116}
13. Bg5-f6{14} Qd8-f6{166}
14. Nc3-d5{6} Qf6-g5{162}
15. Nd5-f4{12} Bc6-g2{96}
16. Rh1-g1{14} Qg5-a5{102}
17. Qb3-c3{228} Qa5-c3{0}
18. b2-c3{2} Bg2-e4{108}
19. Ke1-e2{34} c7-c5{164}
20. f2-f3{10} Be4-g6{150}
21. e3-e4{28} c5-d4{90}
22. c3-d4{16} Rf8-d8{126}
23. d4-d5{42} Ra8-c8{94}
24. Rg1-c1{14} f7-f5{84}
25. Nf4-g6{42} h7-g6{132}
26. Ke2-e3{412} Rd8-f8{138}
27. e4-e5{82} Rc8-d8{96}
28. Ke3-d4{10} Rd8-d7{102}
29. Rc1-c5{50} Rf8-e8{98}
30. Ra1-c1{178} Re8-d8{84}
31. d5-d6{276} b7-b6{0}
32. Rc5-c8{6} Kg8-h7{500}
33. Kd4-d5{28} Rd8-c8{120}
34. Rc1-c8{14} a6-a5{104}
35. e5-e6{52} Rd7-a7{118}
36. e6-e7{22} Ra7-e7{112}
37. d6-e7{10} b6-b5{90}
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turingengine: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...092&game=Chess

Was there any way to stop TuringEngine get the Queen?

In this game till end game I could not find any tactical mistake. Only
When TuringEngine got its Queen GetClub came into trouble.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
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Old May 12th 08, 01:47 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default GetClub Normal Level played good moves but still lost the game.

On May 12, 5:58 am, Sanny wrote:


In this game till end game I could not find any tactical mistake.



Then you don't know how to look.


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Old May 12th 08, 05:36 PM posted to rec.games.chess.misc,alt.chess,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.politics
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Default GetClub Normal Level played good moves but still lost the game.

Sanny wrote:

Despite playing so good game GetClub was unable to stop TuringEngine
bring its Queen.

Normal Level which thinks for 1-2 min was unable to win.


It was outclassed at every turn. This does tend to suggest that there is
something seriously wrong with the quiessence logic in GetClub. About
the only thing that the TuringEngine is really good at is searching out
to Turing dead positions where the static evaluation is reliable. eg.

http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/...aying/p005.htm

There were lot of tactics in this game GetClub managed to bring equal
position. But in the end TuringEngine advanced its pawns and get
Queen.

Game Played between turingengine and normal at GetClub.com


Turing Engine usually doesn't see deep enough in to put up much of a
fight. I am surprised it beat GetClub without allowing any counterplay.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Default GetClub Normal Level played good moves but still lost the game.

On May 12, 3:58*am, Sanny wrote:
Despite playing so good game GetClub was unable to stop TuringEngine
bring its Queen.

Normal Level which thinks for 1-2 min was unable to win.

There were lot of tactics in this game GetClub managed to bring equal
position. But in the end TuringEngine advanced its pawns and get
Queen.

Game Played between turingengine and normal at GetClub.com

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
turingengine: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...092&game=Chess
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----

White -- Black
(turingengine) -- (normal)

1. d2-d4{4} d7-d5{0}
2. c2-c4{2} e7-e6{0}
3. Nb1-c3{4} Ng8-f6{0}
4. c4-d5{2} e6-d5{0}
5. Bc1-g5{2} Nb8-c6{96}
6. e2-e3{14} Bc8-e6{140}
7. Bf1-b5{44} Bf8-b4{146}
8. Qd1-a4{14} Be6-d7{154}
9. Ng1-e2{24} a7-a6{108}
10. Bb5-c6{8} Bb4-c3{186}
11. Ne2-c3{6} Bd7-c6{80}
12. Qa4-b3{22} Ke8-g8{116}
13. Bg5-f6{14} Qd8-f6{166}
14. Nc3-d5{6} Qf6-g5{162}
15. Nd5-f4{12} Bc6-g2{96}
16. Rh1-g1{14} Qg5-a5{102}
17. Qb3-c3{228} Qa5-c3{0}
18. b2-c3{2} Bg2-e4{108}
19. Ke1-e2{34} c7-c5{164}
20. f2-f3{10} Be4-g6{150}
21. e3-e4{28} c5-d4{90}
22. c3-d4{16} Rf8-d8{126}
23. d4-d5{42} Ra8-c8{94}
24. Rg1-c1{14} f7-f5{84}
25. Nf4-g6{42} h7-g6{132}
26. Ke2-e3{412} Rd8-f8{138}
27. e4-e5{82} Rc8-d8{96}
28. Ke3-d4{10} Rd8-d7{102}
29. Rc1-c5{50} Rf8-e8{98}
30. Ra1-c1{178} Re8-d8{84}
31. d5-d6{276} b7-b6{0}
32. Rc5-c8{6} Kg8-h7{500}
33. Kd4-d5{28} Rd8-c8{120}
34. Rc1-c8{14} a6-a5{104}
35. e5-e6{52} Rd7-a7{118}
36. e6-e7{22} Ra7-e7{112}
37. d6-e7{10} b6-b5{90}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----
*turingengine: (White)
normal: (Black)
Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?...092&game=Chess

Was there any way to stop TuringEngine get the Queen?

In this game till end game I could not find any tactical mistake. Only
When TuringEngine got its Queen GetClub came into trouble.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html


In my opinion, if you need to point at one move that lost the game it
was 20...Bg6, trapping the Bishop, allowing White to push his pawns
forward at will and letting White play Nxg6 whenever it felt like it.
There were several other less than optimum moves before that, but that
was the tide-turner.

jm
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Default GetClub Normal Level played good moves but still lost the game.

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On May 12, 3:58 am, Sanny wrote:
Despite playing so good game GetClub was unable to stop TuringEngine
bring its Queen.

19. Ke1-e2{34} c7-c5{164}


I reckon the rot set in slightly earlier with this move.
c5 is pretty useless the line played gifts white a passed centre pawn
with a very good chance of creating a passed pawn pair which supporte
dby his king are almost indestructible. Developing Rad8 seems safest here.

20. f2-f3{10} Be4-g6{150}
21. e3-e4{28} c5-d4{90}
22. c3-d4{16} Rf8-d8{126}
23. d4-d5{42} Ra8-c8{94}
24. Rg1-c1{14} f7-f5{84}
25. Nf4-g6{42} h7-g6{132}
26. Ke2-e3{412} Rd8-f8{138}


This is also a very dubious move. The queens pawn is extremely dangerous
and 26. ... g5 is about the least bad reply if 27. exf5 then Rxd5 so
now white has to play a lot harder to make progress (he is still winning
with best play tho). But a small slip up and the game is equalised.

Was there any way to stop TuringEngine get the Queen?

In this game till end game I could not find any tactical mistake. Only
When TuringEngine got its Queen GetClub came into trouble.


You really need to find a couple of friendly local club level chess
players. Your engine is now stronger than you at chess.

Shredder is quite amusing in this game around move 33 when the mate
comes inside its event horizon and it starts rook sacrifices to delay
the inevitable. It is generally the first hint you get that an attack is
going to work that the engine starts sacrficing serious material for no
gain.

In my opinion, if you need to point at one move that lost the game it
was 20...Bg6, trapping the Bishop, allowing White to push his pawns
forward at will and letting White play Nxg6 whenever it felt like it.
There were several other less than optimum moves before that, but that
was the tide-turner.


I think the move before this 19. ... c5 set up the position where a
passed pawn pair was possible for white. What amazes me is that
TuringEngine for all its other faults and slowness found a way to
exploit it!

Sanny would be well advised to buy a copy of Fritz8 currently 12 on
Amazon and try playing rated games against that engine to see how it
really fares against a roughly clibrated opponent. The CB package also
includes a couple of weaker engines Crafty19 and Comet6B which might be
more suitable. My guess is about ELO 1900 +/- 100

Regards,
Martin Brown
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