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Considering the past debt of about $100,000, plus $200,000 this year, no
equity in the new building, no cash reserves, and despite the nonsense
law-suits, serious new ones possible by its only main partner, Chesscafe,
encouraged and stimulated by Diplomat Bauer and Buffalo Bill...then the
almost certain counter-suit from Polgar & Truong...

The unexplained 'award systems' catastrophe for national ratings which are
not just without any quality assurance but without any sense of needing any.

Then there is according to whatever the unknown rules are, and indeed if
this was even chess - the resolution of the Women's championship this year
was either cheating or 'monkey business'. That's not true of the men's
competition, but then again, most top players didn't show up.

The discontinuance of the communication vehicle to its main market, youth
chess, coupled with the likelihood of Chess Life as standing on its own legs
as a 'commercial entity'...

Its sad when a long-time public institution goes under, usually.



What America needs is an organization established to promote chess to the
general public, to mainstream education, and to mainstream media. That is in
fact USCF's mission statement, but not its action plan, not this year, nor
for the past 35 years.



What is sad is that USCF who never address their own mission, has taken so
long to fall over, and keeps getting in the way of those who would actually
attempt promoting chess.



When winter comes, and the traditional revenue short-fall of the winter
months hits home - it will likely be the home of USCF employees. After all,
$200,000 is about 7 office salaries, and that is to just stay even in
operating terms.



USCF want to soldier on regardless, even if they got down to 3 people like
in 1968. What will sink them is the current serious legal and financial
position on all fronts, any one of which will be completely fatal, beyond
recovery, and we all told them so.



Phil Innes






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Bring on the Mensa styled version of a national chess federation. It
would be a much better way to run the chess railroad.

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THE OVERALL PORTRAIT

Phil Innes' overall portrait of the USCF is like
a Vermeer near-photo image. It is lifelike.

My only point of disagreement is the notion that
Chess Life is somehow not a commercial project
standing on its own when it is part of a Federation
membership package. If the membership package
sells adequately, which it did for a very long time, then
the central element of the magazine is, to my mind, a
commercially viable vehicle.

Yours, Larry Parr
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wrote:
Phil Innes' overall portrait of the USCF is like
a Vermeer near-photo image.


A *what*?


Dave.

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Chess One wrote:
Considering the past debt of about $100,000, plus $200,000 this year, no
equity in the new building, no cash reserves, and despite the nonsense
law-suits, serious new ones possible by its only main partner, Chesscafe,
encouraged and stimulated by Diplomat Bauer and Buffalo Bill...then the
almost certain counter-suit from Polgar & Truong...

The unexplained 'award systems' catastrophe for national ratings which are
not just without any quality assurance but without any sense of needing any.

Then there is according to whatever the unknown rules are, and indeed if
this was even chess - the resolution of the Women's championship this year
was either cheating or 'monkey business'. That's not true of the men's
competition, but then again, most top players didn't show up.

The discontinuance of the communication vehicle to its main market, youth
chess, coupled with the likelihood of Chess Life as standing on its own legs
as a 'commercial entity'...

Its sad when a long-time public institution goes under, usually.



What America needs is an organization established to promote chess to the
general public, to mainstream education, and to mainstream media. That is in
fact USCF's mission statement, but not its action plan, not this year, nor
for the past 35 years.



What is sad is that USCF who never address their own mission, has taken so
long to fall over, and keeps getting in the way of those who would actually
attempt promoting chess.



When winter comes, and the traditional revenue short-fall of the winter
months hits home - it will likely be the home of USCF employees. After all,
$200,000 is about 7 office salaries, and that is to just stay even in
operating terms.



USCF want to soldier on regardless, even if they got down to 3 people like
in 1968. What will sink them is the current serious legal and financial
position on all fronts, any one of which will be completely fatal, beyond
recovery, and we all told them so.



Phil Innes


For once I have to agree with most of what you write. I'm not at all
certain the USCF will make it through 2008. There is one matter you
haven't mentioned that could end it all very quickly, but it's not for
me to point that item out here. Surprises are more fun anyway.


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On Jun 14, 4:36 am, David Richerby
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Phil Innes' overall portrait of the USCF is like
a Vermeer near-photo image.


A *what*?

Dave.


In waxing eloquently, Parr rarely waxes accurately.
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"David Richerby" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Phil Innes' overall portrait of the USCF is like
a Vermeer near-photo image.


A *what*?


he means photo-realism, init. not your impressionist sketch.
its like Dickens-direct, not your Jane Austin, who never went to the grimy
parts, and not kitch niether.
'e means about saying it like it is, not your Tony Blair in your Iraq,
********.

---

its interesting since i have simultaneously been talking with ECF people
this past 9 months - as you know, the 4 of them elected to wake the place up
just quit because of the intransigence of les autres, les grey-beards.
overall the 2 countries are similar in many aspects, even rated games played
per year [despite population size] except to //degree// of 'ownership' of
what is actually public property

foreigners simply don't understand the special sort of intensity at uscf,
and its sense of entitlement to put itself first above all possible factors

but sadly, its true - their own metaphors are in terms of 'owning chess' of
'power and control'. where you are as a player in that bag, is outside it,
comrade

whether the current uscf collapses under its own weight of secrecy,
inveiglements and incompetency, and is ressurected in the same name by some
new bloods, or whether another agency picks up the threads of national chess
management - there seem to be several lessons he-

one is that a self-satisfied group of people grown far too long-in-the-tooth
don't give a damn for growing chess, but award and applaud each other's part
in making a buck from it as it is - that sort of cronyism has no business
existing as a non-profit - your Brit won't understand Tammany Hall or
Chicago ward politics - but that's about the size of it. nearest Brit
analogy was early C19th Parliamentary Rotten Wards.

secondly, comes a point raised by larry parr; without meaningful involvement
by 'members' [since americans just have to be 'members' of things] there is
not even the possibility of knowing what members want represented, and CL
and CL4Kids did achieve that. without even any /contact/ with members, talk
of meaningfulness or representation is so much tripe, stuff and flummery!

what i wrote is what is publicly known - but i cannot write in public or
openly avow, is that the SS USCF headed towards the icefield, sold its boats
to afford the salt at the top table

now - if people really want to boost chess, not fall over their own tangled
shoelaces, they should continue to observe USCF closely in order to know
what not to do - not to do what seems momentarily expedient and is long-term
erosive - and absolutely most of all, if you have a mission to do something,
do nothing else until all your energies are engaged in that, and you are
successful

phil innes


Dave.

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On Jun 13, 8:45 pm, "Chess One" wrote:
What America needs is an organization established to promote chess to the
general public, to mainstream education, and to mainstream media. That is in
fact USCF's mission statement, but not its action plan, not this year, nor
for the past 35 years.


If people are unhappy with the USCF, I suggest they support the North
American Chess Association to a large extent:
http://www.nachess.org/index.php?opt...tpage&Itemid=1

Also, to a lesser extent, IAGO, which will be looking to coordinate
the efforts of groups like the North American Chess Association, and
the American Checker Federation, to maximize the positive impact
abstract strategy games, like chess, would have in the general
marketplace of ideas and interest of the public. If you are in Canada
(NACA) is also an option. Chess in Canada is facing similar issues.

Of course, my first preference would be that the USCF end up doing
this for the United States, but if it falls apart, NACA could step in
here.

- Rich
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On Jun 14, 6:43 am, Brian Lafferty wrote:
Chess One wrote:
Considering the past debt of about $100,000, plus $200,000 this year, no
equity in the new building, no cash reserves, and despite the nonsense
law-suits, serious new ones possible by its only main partner, Chesscafe,
encouraged and stimulated by Diplomat Bauer and Buffalo Bill...then the
almost certain counter-suit from Polgar & Truong...


The unexplained 'award systems' catastrophe for national ratings which are
not just without any quality assurance but without any sense of needing any.


Then there is according to whatever the unknown rules are, and indeed if
this was even chess - the resolution of the Women's championship this year
was either cheating or 'monkey business'. That's not true of the men's
competition, but then again, most top players didn't show up.


The discontinuance of the communication vehicle to its main market, youth
chess, coupled with the likelihood of Chess Life as standing on its own legs
as a 'commercial entity'...


Its sad when a long-time public institution goes under, usually.


What America needs is an organization established to promote chess to the
general public, to mainstream education, and to mainstream media. That is in
fact USCF's mission statement, but not its action plan, not this year, nor
for the past 35 years.


What is sad is that USCF who never address their own mission, has taken so
long to fall over, and keeps getting in the way of those who would actually
attempt promoting chess.


When winter comes, and the traditional revenue short-fall of the winter
months hits home - it will likely be the home of USCF employees. After all,
$200,000 is about 7 office salaries, and that is to just stay even in
operating terms.


USCF want to soldier on regardless, even if they got down to 3 people like
in 1968. What will sink them is the current serious legal and financial
position on all fronts, any one of which will be completely fatal, beyond
recovery, and we all told them so.


Phil Innes


For once I have to agree with most of what you write. I'm not at all
certain the USCF will make it through 2008. There is one matter you
haven't mentioned that could end it all very quickly, but it's not for
me to point that item out here. Surprises are more fun anyway.


How soon is this alleged 'end' coming, Brian? As quickly as all the
other alleged USCF 'ends' that have been forecast the past decade? I
have another article in a future Chess Life, and I want to make sure
the check clears.

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The Historian wrote:
On Jun 14, 6:43 am, Brian Lafferty wrote:
Chess One wrote:
Considering the past debt of about $100,000, plus $200,000 this year, no
equity in the new building, no cash reserves, and despite the nonsense
law-suits, serious new ones possible by its only main partner, Chesscafe,
encouraged and stimulated by Diplomat Bauer and Buffalo Bill...then the
almost certain counter-suit from Polgar & Truong...
The unexplained 'award systems' catastrophe for national ratings which are
not just without any quality assurance but without any sense of needing any.
Then there is according to whatever the unknown rules are, and indeed if
this was even chess - the resolution of the Women's championship this year
was either cheating or 'monkey business'. That's not true of the men's
competition, but then again, most top players didn't show up.
The discontinuance of the communication vehicle to its main market, youth
chess, coupled with the likelihood of Chess Life as standing on its own legs
as a 'commercial entity'...
Its sad when a long-time public institution goes under, usually.
What America needs is an organization established to promote chess to the
general public, to mainstream education, and to mainstream media. That is in
fact USCF's mission statement, but not its action plan, not this year, nor
for the past 35 years.
What is sad is that USCF who never address their own mission, has taken so
long to fall over, and keeps getting in the way of those who would actually
attempt promoting chess.
When winter comes, and the traditional revenue short-fall of the winter
months hits home - it will likely be the home of USCF employees. After all,
$200,000 is about 7 office salaries, and that is to just stay even in
operating terms.
USCF want to soldier on regardless, even if they got down to 3 people like
in 1968. What will sink them is the current serious legal and financial
position on all fronts, any one of which will be completely fatal, beyond
recovery, and we all told them so.
Phil Innes

For once I have to agree with most of what you write. I'm not at all
certain the USCF will make it through 2008. There is one matter you
haven't mentioned that could end it all very quickly, but it's not for
me to point that item out here. Surprises are more fun anyway.


How soon is this alleged 'end' coming, Brian? As quickly as all the
other alleged USCF 'ends' that have been forecast the past decade? I
have another article in a future Chess Life, and I want to make sure
the check clears.


Repent! The end is near. If I knew the exact date I'd be at the track
betting with Bill G.
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