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Old August 17th 03, 12:31 PM
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Strike a light (3)

Fischer and Big White Shark

Have you read very interesting article - Boris Spassky: Notes From the
Underground, By Al Lawrence Chess Life July 2003?

Here are some interesting cites:
---------------

About the 1992 World Championship Match with Fischer:



But 20 years later we were very nice retired people! [Uproarious laughter
from the listeners].



The second match gave me very nice pension! I was in the financial minus so
I had to pay my debts.

Bobby also had several hundred dollars, not more..



.... I have very good recollections about this match. But it was very hard
for me. We played 30 games and almost all of them were fighting games...



Bobby was struggling in the beginning of the 1992 match. But he had a
fantastic ability to come very fast into his best form.



I had a special small room. Bobby complained that the toilet was very noisy.
Typical Bobby. We played four days in a row; we played nine hours in a row.
He had seven bodyguards, I had only three bodyguards! [With mock
embarassment.]



After the first half of the match, I suggested we swim around Sveti Stefan.
Is it possible that there are any sharks? Bobby wanted to know. No, no,
no. I said. But once, over 40 years ago, there was one shark that bit one
student. So Bobby said no.

-----------

It's interesting that Bobby was right in this chat about swimming. That year
and several years after that match it perceived a big white shark near that
place. That shark is so called "White dead". Have you have seen "Jaws"? You
can perceive how much it can be dangerous, so maybe if Fischer had accepted
Spassky's offer to swim around the Sveti Stefan, maybe the second half of
the match wouldn't have been played!



I cite Ian Ferguson, CBiol MIBiol Member, IUCN Shark Specialist Group
(Mediterranean Region) (16 Jul 2003):

-----------

Big white shark was "A large specimen of *Carcharodon carcharias* was
caught yesterday off Croatia (Wed.). I'm currently confirming the finer
details, but it seems the animal was taken in a tuna net, then hauled-aboard
while still alive using winches, but dead before being landed ashore.
....
The available image provided to me by a news agency (see
http://www.zoo.co.uk/~z9015043/adriatic-carcharodon.jpg) suggests that the
"record size length of 20 ft" cited by the newswire is difficult to
ascertain but dubious (aren't they always??!). I estimate TL as 500 cm,
perhaps similar to the ca. 530 - 550 cm beasts
seen in the past two decades from Favignana, Malta, etc. Claspers are
not visible in the (poor) pic, albeit one pelvic fin is. A female?

Assuming the capture locality is indeed inside Croatian waters, then this is
the first definitive specimen of white shark caught in the Adriatic since
1972, following data from Soldo & Jardas (2000) and the last indication in
those waters for *Carcharodon* following the 10 August 1974 fatal accident
involving Ralf Schneider at Omis (ISAF
#1292). However, there have been a handful of contemporary records (some
confirmed with good photos and video) on Italian Adriatic coasts post 1992
and notably in 1998 and 1999.


Ian K. Fergusson CBiol MIBiol
Member, IUCN Shark Specialist Group (Mediterranean Region)

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I have read about trained animals, like dolphins. Could somebody have
trained big white shark? No, it is naturally trained.




Goran Tomic




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Old August 17th 03, 11:14 PM
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After the first half of the match, I suggested we swim around Sveti

Stefan.
"Is it possible that there are any sharks?" Bobby wanted to know. "No, no,
no." I said. "But once, over 40 years ago, there was one shark that bit

one
student." So Bobby said no.

-----------

It's interesting that Bobby was right in this chat about swimming. That

year
and several years after that match it perceived a big white shark near

that
place. That shark is so called "White dead". Have you have seen "Jaws"?

You
can perceive how much it can be dangerous, so maybe if Fischer had

accepted
Spassky's offer to swim around the Sveti Stefan, maybe the second half of
the match wouldn't have been played!



I cite Ian Ferguson, CBiol MIBiol Member, IUCN Shark Specialist Group
(Mediterranean Region) (16 Jul 2003):

-----------

Big white shark was "A large specimen of *Carcharodon carcharias* was
caught yesterday off Croatia (Wed.). I'm currently confirming the finer
details, but it seems the animal was taken in a tuna net, then

hauled-aboard
while still alive using winches, but dead before being landed ashore.
...
The available image provided to me by a news agency (see
http://www.zoo.co.uk/~z9015043/adriatic-carcharodon.jpg) suggests that the
"record size length of 20 ft" cited by the newswire is difficult to
ascertain but dubious (aren't they always??!). I estimate TL as 500 cm,
perhaps similar to the ca. 530 - 550 cm beasts
seen in the past two decades from Favignana, Malta, etc. Claspers are
not visible in the (poor) pic, albeit one pelvic fin is. A female?

Assuming the capture locality is indeed inside Croatian waters, then this

is
the first definitive specimen of white shark caught in the Adriatic since
1972, following data from Soldo & Jardas (2000) and the last indication in
those waters for *Carcharodon* following the 10 August 1974 fatal accident
involving Ralf Schneider at Omis (ISAF
#1292). However, there have been a handful of contemporary records (some
confirmed with good photos and video) on Italian Adriatic coasts post 1992
and notably in 1998 and 1999.


Ian K. Fergusson CBiol MIBiol
Member, IUCN Shark Specialist Group (Mediterranean Region)

---------------------



I have read about trained animals, like dolphins. Could somebody have
trained big white shark? No, it is naturally trained.




Goran Tomic


Sweet Jesus. I love Bobby so much, I could read about him all day, or
something.

Ned


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Old August 18th 03, 02:54 AM
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Great article Goran!! Well Done!!


"tomic" wrote in message
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Strike a light (3)

Fischer and Big White Shark

Have you read very interesting article - Boris Spassky: Notes From the
Underground, By Al Lawrence Chess Life July 2003?

Here are some interesting cites:
---------------

About the 1992 World Championship Match with Fischer:



But 20 years later we were very nice retired people! [Uproarious laughter
from the listeners].



The second match gave me very nice pension! I was in the financial minus

so
I had to pay my debts.

Bobby also had several hundred dollars, not more..



... I have very good recollections about this match. But it was very hard
for me. We played 30 games and almost all of them were fighting games...



Bobby was struggling in the beginning of the 1992 match. But he had a
fantastic ability to come very fast into his best form.



I had a special small room. Bobby complained that the toilet was very

noisy.
Typical Bobby. We played four days in a row; we played nine hours in a

row.
He had seven bodyguards, I had only three bodyguards! [With mock
embarassment.]



After the first half of the match, I suggested we swim around Sveti

Stefan.
"Is it possible that there are any sharks?" Bobby wanted to know. "No, no,
no." I said. "But once, over 40 years ago, there was one shark that bit

one
student." So Bobby said no.

-----------

It's interesting that Bobby was right in this chat about swimming. That

year
and several years after that match it perceived a big white shark near

that
place. That shark is so called "White dead". Have you have seen "Jaws"?

You
can perceive how much it can be dangerous, so maybe if Fischer had

accepted
Spassky's offer to swim around the Sveti Stefan, maybe the second half of
the match wouldn't have been played!



I cite Ian Ferguson, CBiol MIBiol Member, IUCN Shark Specialist Group
(Mediterranean Region) (16 Jul 2003):

-----------

Big white shark was "A large specimen of *Carcharodon carcharias* was
caught yesterday off Croatia (Wed.). I'm currently confirming the finer
details, but it seems the animal was taken in a tuna net, then

hauled-aboard
while still alive using winches, but dead before being landed ashore.
...
The available image provided to me by a news agency (see
http://www.zoo.co.uk/~z9015043/adriatic-carcharodon.jpg) suggests that the
"record size length of 20 ft" cited by the newswire is difficult to
ascertain but dubious (aren't they always??!). I estimate TL as 500 cm,
perhaps similar to the ca. 530 - 550 cm beasts
seen in the past two decades from Favignana, Malta, etc. Claspers are
not visible in the (poor) pic, albeit one pelvic fin is. A female?

Assuming the capture locality is indeed inside Croatian waters, then this

is
the first definitive specimen of white shark caught in the Adriatic since
1972, following data from Soldo & Jardas (2000) and the last indication in
those waters for *Carcharodon* following the 10 August 1974 fatal accident
involving Ralf Schneider at Omis (ISAF
#1292). However, there have been a handful of contemporary records (some
confirmed with good photos and video) on Italian Adriatic coasts post 1992
and notably in 1998 and 1999.


Ian K. Fergusson CBiol MIBiol
Member, IUCN Shark Specialist Group (Mediterranean Region)

---------------------



I have read about trained animals, like dolphins. Could somebody have
trained big white shark? No, it is naturally trained.




Goran Tomic






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Old August 18th 03, 03:34 AM
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"Peter van der Hoog" skrev i melding
...
"Ned Craplple" wrote in message
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Sweet Jesus. I love Bobby so much, I could read about him all day, or
something.

Ned


Stop Being Hard On Yourself, Ned. Let it go and tell us all about your

love
for Bobby!


Bobby, dolphins, sharks... need I say more? Sorry, have to get back to my
Bobby-shrine.

Ned


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Old August 18th 03, 04:42 AM
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..
It is a scientifical fact that once a great white realizes he has ahold of a
human, and not a yummy seal, tasty tuna, or some other fish, he will "let go."

Hence, it is preposterous to think that a single great white found somewhere
near Croatia was any real threat to two men swimming once-around Sveti Stephan
in 1992.
Especially if neither of them had an open, bleeding wound or smelled like an
albacore.





Besides, from what I have been hearing of late, Bobby would have posed at
least as great a threat to such a shark, as it would, to him -- especially if
Bobby mistook it for a Jew or an American!









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You are a weakling and a coward "NoMoreChess"!


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Old August 19th 03, 03:46 PM
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Don't you think, Goran, that if Fischer-Spassky match took place in
Ada-Bojana it would be more interesting and original and attracted
more attention?
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Old August 19th 03, 04:21 PM
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"Todd E. Flambers" wrote in message
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Don't you think, Goran, that if Fischer-Spassky match took place in
Ada-Bojana it would be more interesting and original and attracted
more attention?


You are very well conversant in local turistic atractions! Good joke! Have
you been there?

Regards,
Goran Tomic


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Old August 20th 03, 09:55 AM
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"Ned Craplple" wrote in message
Bobby, dolphins, sharks... need I say more? Sorry, have to get back to my
Bobby-shrine.


The shrine is a touching detail and we all love you, Ned. One little
thing though: Bobby isn't dead, yet.
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