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Stuck Bobby
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By mrmip Location: Finland Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: Stuck Bobby The first official world champion Wilhelm Steinitz used to brag that he can solve any 2 or 3 move chess problem in 20 minutes. This of course was like a red cloth to Sam Loyd. So he composed a sneaky 4 mover and gave it to Wilhelm to solve. Steinitz thought, after half an hour think, that he had cracked the puzzle. Sam was happy as a pig, since there was a well hidden refutation that had escaped Wilhelm. So Sam named that puzzle "Stuck Steinitz" and was all too eager to show it to everyone. Well. Something similar can be said on Benko's "Stuck Bobby". This is a problem composed by Pal Benko. Pal introduced once this problem to Bobby Fischer and Bobby took the bet that he will solve it in half an hour. Well, he lost. Once seeing the solution Bobby claimed that he will find another solution (cook) overnight. He lost again  there is but one solution. (Source: 'This Crazy World of Chess' by Larry Evans, Cardoza 2007) [The problem that stuck Bobby can be found on page 38.] _________________ There are only three kinds of chessplayers  those who can count and those who cannot.... 
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Stuck Bobby
On Jan 15, 1:35*pm, " wrote:
JUST FOUND THIS POST By mrmip Location: Finland Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: Stuck Bobby The first official world champion Wilhelm Steinitz used to brag that he can solve any 2 or 3 move chess problem in 20 minutes. This of course was like a red cloth to Sam Loyd. So he composed a sneaky 4 mover and gave it to Wilhelm to solve. Steinitz thought, after half an hour think, that he had cracked the puzzle. Sam was happy as a pig, since there was a well hidden refutation that had escaped Wilhelm. So Sam named that puzzle "Stuck Steinitz" and was all too eager to show it to everyone. Well. Something similar can be said on Benko's "Stuck Bobby". This is a problem composed by Pal Benko. Pal introduced once this problem to Bobby Fischer and Bobby took the bet that he will solve it in half an hour. Well, he lost. Once seeing the solution Bobby claimed that he will find another solution (cook) overnight. He lost again  there is but one solution. (Source: 'This Crazy World of Chess' by Larry Evans, Cardoza 2007) [The problem that stuck Bobby can be found on page 38.] _________________ There are only three kinds of chessplayers  those who can count and those who cannot.... Benko shows that problem on page 644 of his autobiography. The position is: W: Ke1, Ra1, Rh1, Nb1, Ng1, e2, h2 B: Ke4, Qc2, Rh3, Bf3, Na4, a3, a2, e3 The terms a Helpmate in three, with two solutions. Keep in mind that in a helpmate, Black moves first, and the goal is to find the quickest possible mate of the black king, with both sides cooperating, i.e. Black plays to allow mate as quickly as possible, not avoid it. The "stuck Steinitz" problem is discussed he http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/e...initzcapa.html along with several other problems that proved very difficult for prominent players. 
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Stuck Bobby
THAT'S NOT THE SAME PROBLEM
Mr. 2300+ Elo has made an interesting contribution, but the helpmate by Benko is not the same problem cited in THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS (page 38). The problem that Stuck Bobby is a standard matein3. Taylor Kingston wrote: On Jan 15, 1:35?pm, " wrote: JUST FOUND THIS POST By mrmip Location: Finland Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: Stuck Bobby The first official world champion Wilhelm Steinitz used to brag that he can solve any 2 or 3 move chess problem in 20 minutes. This of course was like a red cloth to Sam Loyd. So he composed a sneaky 4 mover and gave it to Wilhelm to solve. Steinitz thought, after half an hour think, that he had cracked the puzzle. Sam was happy as a pig, since there was a well hidden refutation that had escaped Wilhelm. So Sam named that puzzle "Stuck Steinitz" and was all too eager to show it to everyone. Well. Something similar can be said on Benko's "Stuck Bobby". This is a problem composed by Pal Benko. Pal introduced once this problem to Bobby Fischer and Bobby took the bet that he will solve it in half an hour. Well, he lost. Once seeing the solution Bobby claimed that he will find another solution (cook) overnight. He lost again  there is but one solution. (Source: 'This Crazy World of Chess' by Larry Evans, Cardoza 2007) [The problem that stuck Bobby can be found on page 38.] _________________ There are only three kinds of chessplayers  those who can count and those who cannot.... Benko shows that problem on page 644 of his autobiography. The position is: W: Ke1, Ra1, Rh1, Nb1, Ng1, e2, h2 B: Ke4, Qc2, Rh3, Bf3, Na4, a3, a2, e3 The terms a Helpmate in three, with two solutions. Keep in mind that in a helpmate, Black moves first, and the goal is to find the quickest possible mate of the black king, with both sides cooperating, i.e. Black plays to allow mate as quickly as possible, not avoid it. The "stuck Steinitz" problem is discussed he http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/e...initzcapa.html along with several other problems that proved very difficult for prominent players. 
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Stuck Bobby
On Jan 15, 5:29*pm, " wrote:
THAT'S NOT THE SAME PROBLEM Mr. 2300+ Elo has made an interesting contribution, but the helpmate by Benko is not the same problem cited in THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS (page 38). The problem that Stuck Bobby is a standard matein3. Interesting. Of the problem I gave, Benko himself says: "I created this problem with the express purpose of fooling Bobby Fischer, just like Loyd did to Steinitz. Bobby fell right into my trap solutions." That is why I assumed it was the problem in question, since the Finnish post mentioned the LoydSteinitz challenge. But, checking the index of his autobiography further, I see there is one other Benko problem that stumped Fischer. It is: W: Ke1, Qd1, Bc1, Bf1 B: Ke4 White mates in three. Is this the one you refer to, Larry? Benko says "[This] was the last problem I composed as a teenager ... At the Lugano Olympiad, which Bobby Fischer attended as a spectator, I made a bet with him that he couldn't solve it in thirty minutes. As time ran out, he became irritated and demanded to see the answer. When I showed it to him, he insisted that other solutions had to exist. Naturally, this led to another bet! The teenage Pal Benko never would have guessed how much mileage he was going to get of that little problem!" Taylor Kingston wrote: On Jan 15, 1:35?pm, " wrote: JUST FOUND THIS POST By mrmip Location: Finland Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: Stuck Bobby The first official world champion Wilhelm Steinitz used to brag that he can solve any 2 or 3 move chess problem in 20 minutes. This of course was like a red cloth to Sam Loyd. So he composed a sneaky 4 mover and gave it to Wilhelm to solve. Steinitz thought, after half an hour think, that he had cracked the puzzle. Sam was happy as a pig, since there was a well hidden refutation that had escaped Wilhelm. So Sam named that puzzle "Stuck Steinitz" and was all too eager to show it to everyone. Well. Something similar can be said on Benko's "Stuck Bobby". This is a problem composed by Pal Benko. Pal introduced once this problem to Bobby Fischer and Bobby took the bet that he will solve it in half an hour. Well, he lost. Once seeing the solution Bobby claimed that he will find another solution (cook) overnight. He lost again  there is but one solution. (Source: 'This Crazy World of Chess' by Larry Evans, Cardoza 2007) [The problem that stuck Bobby can be found on page 38.] _________________ There are only three kinds of chessplayers  those who can count and those who cannot.... * Benko shows that problem on page 644 of his autobiography. The position is: * W: Ke1, Ra1, Rh1, Nb1, Ng1, e2, h2 * B: Ke4, Qc2, Rh3, Bf3, Na4, a3, a2, e3 * The terms a Helpmate in three, with two solutions. Keep in mind that in a helpmate, Black moves first, and the goal is to find the quickest possible mate of the black king, with both sides cooperating, i.e. Black plays to allow mate as quickly as possible, not avoid it. * The "stuck Steinitz" problem is discussed he *http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/e...initzcapa.html along with several other problems that proved very difficult for prominent players. Hide quoted text   Show quoted text  
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Stuck Bobby
On Jan 15, 6:03*pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
There are only three kinds of chessplayers  those who can count and those who cannot.... No, there are four kinds: those who can count correctly, those who miscount, and those who realize that counting lies beyond their abilities. * Benko shows that problem on page 644 of his autobiography. The position is: * W: Ke1, Ra1, Rh1, Nb1, Ng1, e2, h2 * B: Ke4, Qc2, Rh3, Bf3, Na4, a3, a2, e3 I solved this in less than ten minutes with no computer help. Why grandmasters have so much trouble with these easy problems is a mystery to me. * The terms a Helpmate in three, with two solutions. Uh oh not only did I assume it was a "normal" chess problem, but this means that Mr. Kingston got himself all confused again, for Mr. Parr specifically stated that there was but ONE solution, and that PB *won* his second bet *on that account*. This was all crystalclear... except of course to Mr. Kingston. What wasn't clear was why BF could not solve such a problem in thirty minutes; but consider this: BF was no problemist; his skill lay in OTB competition, which heavily involves openings theory and practical decisionmaking, while many of these "chess problems" are artificial in nature.  help bot 
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Stuck Bobby
On Jan 15, 11:26*pm, help bot wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:03*pm, Taylor Kingston wrote: There are only three kinds of chessplayers  those who can count and those who cannot.... * No, there are four kinds: *those who can count correctly, those who miscount, and those who realize that counting lies beyond their abilities. * Benko shows that problem on page 644 of his autobiography. The position is: * W: Ke1, Ra1, Rh1, Nb1, Ng1, e2, h2 * B: Ke4, Qc2, Rh3, Bf3, Na4, a3, a2, e3 * *I solved this in less than ten minutes with no computer help. * Why grandmasters have so much trouble with these easy problems is a mystery to me. You solved it as White to play and mate in two or three? What solution did you find? 
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Stuck Bobby
On Jan 15, 5:03*pm, Taylor Kingston wrote:
* W: Ke1, Qd1, Bc1, Bf1 * B: Ke4 *White mates in three. It's a rather beautiful solution (after 20 mins of trying, I looked it up). Hint: if the Black king were prevented from running away, RJF certainly would've found it. So on what square could a runaway king possibly be mated in 3? 
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Stuck Bobby
On Jan 16, 1:20*pm, billbrock wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:03*pm, Taylor Kingston wrote: * W: Ke1, Qd1, Bc1, Bf1 * B: Ke4 *White mates in three. It's a rather beautiful solution (after 20 mins of trying, I looked it up). Hint: if the Black king were prevented from running away, RJF certainly would've found it. *So on what square could a runaway king possibly be mated in 3? I agree it's beautiful. The black king's freedom of flight is illusory. With the right moves, he is quickly captured. 
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