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A Vice-President who was not a "Natural Born Citizen"

With all the controversy about whether Barak Obama is a "Natural Born
Citizen", it is often overlooked that, if these theories are valid,
then a previous Vice President of the United states was not a "Natural
Born Citizen".

The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that:
"[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President
shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Yet, Charles Curtis (1860-1936), who was Vice-President from 1929 to
1933, was not a "Natural Born Citizen" for three reasons. First, he
was a Native American Indian and Indians did not become citizens until
the Fourteenth Amendment was passed in 1868 or until the passage of
the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. See Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94
(1884), a United States Supreme Court case. Secondly, he was born in
Kansas Territory before Kansas became a state in 1861. Thirdly, he
lived virtually his entire life on an Indian Reservation. His home in
Kansas was an Indian Reservation and during his 16 years in United
States Congress, 14 years in the United States Senate and four years
as Vice-President of the United States, he never owned his own home in
Washington DC. Instead, he stayed as a guest in the home of his half-
sister, Dolly Gann.

In spite of all this, his right to hold office as Vice-President of
the United States has never been questioned. He also remains the only
non-European besides Barak Obama ever to hold such a high office in
the United States.

The biography of this interesting but nearly forgotten man is entitled
"Dolly Gann's Book" and is published by Ishi Press.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...ean=0923891412
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891412

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Default A Vice-President who was not a "Natural Born Citizen"

A Vice-President who was not a "Natural Born Citizen"

With all the controversy about whether Barak Obama is a "Natural Born
Citizen", it is often overlooked that, if these theories are valid,
then a previous Vice President of the United States was not a "Natural
Born Citizen".

The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that:
"[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President
shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Yet, Charles Curtis (1860-1936), who was Vice-President from 1929 to
1933, was not a "Natural Born Citizen" for three reasons. First, he
was a Native American Indian and Indians did not become citizens until
the Fourteenth Amendment was passed in 1868 or until the passage of
the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. See Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94
(1884), a United States Supreme Court case. Secondly, he was born in
Kansas Territory before Kansas became a state in 1861. Thirdly, he
lived virtually his entire life on an Indian Reservation. His home in
Kansas was an Indian Reservation and during his 16 years in United
states Congress, 14 years in the United States Senate and four years
as Vice-President of the United States, he never owned his own home in
Washington DC. Instead, he stayed as a guest in the home of his half-
sister, Dolly Gann.

In spite of all this, his right to hold office as Vice-President of
the United States has never been questioned. He also remains the only
non-European besides Barak Obama ever to hold such a high office in
the United States.

The biography of this interesting but nearly forgotten man is entitled
"Dolly Gann's Book" and is published by Ishi Press.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...ean=0923891080
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891080

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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Vlad wrote:
Very interesting indeed Sam, I always thought that America should elect an Indian to truly prove how enlightened we supposedly are. So this was Herbert Hoover's pick?

V


Herbert Hoover did not really pick him. Charles Curtis came to the
1928 Republican National Convention in Cleveland to run for President
of the United States, not for Vice-President.

Back then, there were no primaries as we now have so the entire matter
was decided on the convention floor.

Charles Curtis was one of several top contenders for the Presidential
Nomination. When Herbert Hoover finally had the votes, several of the
leading candidates said that they did not want the vice-presidential
slot. Charles Curtis was the leading candidate who was willing to take
the number two position.

I think it would have been a safe bet that, had Herbert Hoover been
allowed to pick anybody he wanted, as is now customary, somebody other
than Charles Curtis would have been nominated Vice-President.

A great part of "Dolly Gann's Book" deals with the 1928 Republican
National Convention and this controversy.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...ean=0923891080
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891080

I should also mention that I reprinted "Dolly Gann's Book" nearly one
year ago. It was only just today that I suddenly realized that the
"Natural Born Citizen" controversy involving Barak Obama also applies
to Charles Curtis.

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samsloan wrote in
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A Vice-President who was not a "Natural Born Citizen"

With all the controversy about whether Barak Obama is a "Natural Born
Citizen", it is often overlooked that, if these theories are valid,


There is no controversy in the real world. And any claims about Curtis
would stand on their own in any case.

then a previous Vice President of the United states was not a "Natural
Born Citizen".

The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that:
"[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President
shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Yet, Charles Curtis (1860-1936), who was Vice-President from 1929 to
1933, was not a "Natural Born Citizen" for three reasons. First, he
was a Native American Indian


This is unclear. Was he? I haven't looked any further than Wikipedia,
but he wasn't born on the res and his father wasn't an Indian.

and Indians did not become citizens until the Fourteenth Amendment


Probably enough. The 14th recognizes as citizens those born in the US,
so Curtis got his citizenship through birth.

was passed in 1868 or until the passage of
the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. See Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94
(1884), a United States Supreme Court case. Secondly, he was born in
Kansas Territory before Kansas became a state in 1861.


Also probably enough. The Kansas Territory was incorporated territory,
i.e., an inalienable part of the US. But no case law has been
established.

Thirdly, he
lived virtually his entire life on an Indian Reservation. His home in
Kansas was an Indian Reservation and during his 16 years in United
States Congress, 14 years in the United States Senate and four years
as Vice-President of the United States, he never owned his own home in
Washington DC. Instead, he stayed as a guest in the home of his half-
sister, Dolly Gann.


He was born in Topeka.

In spite of all this, his right to hold office as Vice-President of
the United States has never been questioned. He also remains the only
non-European besides Barak Obama ever to hold such a high office in
the United States.

The biography of this interesting but nearly forgotten man is entitled
"Dolly Gann's Book" and is published by Ishi Press.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...sp?ean=0923891
412 http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891412

Sam Sloan


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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:18:34 -0800 (PST), samsloan
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Thirdly, he
lived virtually his entire life on an Indian Reservation. His home in
Kansas was an Indian Reservation and during his 16 years in United
States Congress, 14 years in the United States Senate and four years
as Vice-President of the United States, he never owned his own home in
Washington DC. Instead, he stayed as a guest in the home of his half-
sister, Dolly Gann.


It doesn't matter if he owned his own home or not. I know lots of
children who don't own their own homes and they are still citizens.

Plus you say he lived 34 years in DC. So, I don't see how he could
have lived virtually his entire life on an Indian reservation.


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democrat find all sort of story to challenge the usa constitution.
yesh obama is not a natural born not in hawaii either.
his two hospitals he and his indonesian half sister claimed, have no
record of his birth ceritificate.
his mother registered him in hawaii with no actual hospital name. his
real birth place will be found in kenya, but the democrat
spend million of dollars to block it. the former vice prez was born in
america his very own land/soil, so what's your point? he didn't
register in a new gov't still he was born in his own native land the
english took it from his own people.
the democrat make me want to vomit every time they try to do
something.


On Jan 31, 9:18*pm, samsloan wrote:
A Vice-President who was not a "Natural Born Citizen"

With all the controversy about whether Barak Obama is a "Natural Born
Citizen", it is often overlooked that, if these theories are valid,
then a previous Vice President of the United states was not a "Natural
Born Citizen".

The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that:
"[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President
shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Yet, Charles Curtis (1860-1936), who was Vice-President from 1929 to
1933, was not a "Natural Born Citizen" for three reasons. First, he
was a Native American Indian and Indians did not become citizens until
the Fourteenth Amendment was passed in 1868 or until the passage of
the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. See Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94
(1884), a United States Supreme Court case. Secondly, he was born in
Kansas Territory before Kansas became a state in 1861. Thirdly, he
lived virtually his entire life on an Indian Reservation. His home in
Kansas was an Indian Reservation and during his 16 years in United
States Congress, 14 years in the United States Senate and four years
as Vice-President of the United States, he never owned his own home in
Washington DC. Instead, he stayed as a guest in the home of his half-
sister, Dolly Gann.

In spite of all this, his right to hold office as Vice-President of
the United States has never been questioned. He also remains the only
non-European besides Barak Obama ever to hold such a high office in
the United States.

The biography of this interesting but nearly forgotten man is entitled
"Dolly Gann's Book" and is published by Ishi Press.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo.../dp/0923891412

Sam Sloan


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On Feb 7, 12:16*am, mm wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:18:34 -0800 (PST), samsloan

wrote:
Thirdly, he
lived virtually his entire life on an Indian Reservation. His home in
Kansas was an Indian Reservation and during his 16 years in United
States Congress, 14 years in the United States Senate and four years
as Vice-President of the United States, he never owned his own home in
Washington DC. Instead, he stayed as a guest in the home of his half-
sister, Dolly Gann.


It doesn't matter if he owned his own home or not. *I know lots of
children who don't own their own homes and they are still citizens.

Plus you say he lived 34 years in DC. *So, I don't see how he could
have lived virtually his entire life on an Indian reservation.


To him, it was very important to be able to say that his only home was
on the Indian Reservation in Kansas (even after all the other Indians
had been moved to Oklahoma and the only Indian left on the reservation
was him) and that he did not own a home in Washington DC.

This is a little like our current Vice-President Joe Biden who has
never lived in the Washington DC area and still commutes daily by
train from his home in Delaware.

I realize that this may seem quaint, but he was able to hold office
for 30 years in Congress and the Senate before being elected Vice-
President, so perhaps some of today's politicians could learn by his
example.

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On Feb 6, 10:59*pm, പ wrote:
what's your point?


That you know the things you claim yet remain unwilling to press
forgery charges against state officials in Hawaii.
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On Feb 7, 12:12*pm, James Of Tucson wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:59*pm, പ wrote:

*what's your point?


That you know the things you claim yet remain unwilling to press
forgery charges against state officials in Hawaii.


Why don't you join the long list of people who are doing things like
that?

Some of the issues never addressed a

1. He probably does not remember being born and he did not look around
to see where he was when he was born, so he does not of his own
knowledge know where he was born.

2. Now you are claiming that his Hawaii Birth Certificate was forged.
How do you propose to prove that? The presumed forgers are probably
dead now too.

3. His mother and father are both dead so they are not available to
testify.

4. There is a presumption in the law that official records and reports
are presumed to be valid and accurate. How do you plan to overcome
that?

Meanwhile, my book about the first and only Native American, who was
not a "natural born citizen" because at that time Native Americans
were considered to be not American, but who was nevertheless elected
Vice-President of the United States, is available online at:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...ean=0923891412
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891412


"Dolly Gann's Book" is published by Ishi Press.

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Sorry. I keep making the same mistake:

Meanwhile, my book about the first and only Native American, who was
not a "natural born citizen" because at that time Native Americans
were considered to be not American, but who was nevertheless elected
Vice-President of the United States, is available online at:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...ean=0923891080
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0923891080

"Dolly Gann's Book" is published by Ishi Press.

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