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THE CASE AGAINST DRUG-TESTING IN U.S. CHESS
by Larry Parr and GM Larry Evans

"FIDE has made its decision, and players who do not accept drug
testing will not be able to play chess. At the moment, I would have to
freely admit there are
drugs which theoretically COULD affect cognitive performance, but we
have NO real scientific proof that anything can positively affect
cognitive performance and
consequently, chess." —Dr. Stephen Press, vice-chairman of the FIDE
Medical Commission

Let’s get one thing straight right off the bat, shall we?

There is no demonstrable drug problem in chess. There is not even a
claimed drug problem in chess. There is not even, as we shall see, a
claim that there could be
a drug problem in chess. There is only a claim that IF there might
someday be a drug that affects cognition, then there could possibly be
a drug problem in chess.

We have a "could" conditioned on an "if." Wow!

The decision about whether to support or to oppose drug testing is not
a question to be resolved by specialists exchanging discrete bits of
arcane knowledge. The question is how USCF interests are served by
accepting and promoting drug testing in tournaments in the vain hope
that chess may someday become not only an Olympic event but that
Olympic status will result in tangible gains for the royal game.

We believe that USCF interests are best served in making policy based
on reason, and on respect for personal privacy and on a shrewd
understanding of its business interests given the passionate and
widespread opposition to drug testing among American players at all
levels.

We hold that creating bureaucracies to solve nonexistent problems is
an affront to reason and an open door for predictable problems that
will bedevil the USCF. We hold that violations of privacy by third
rate, arrogant chess politicians will end in lawsuits and outrages
that will drive Americans away from chess. We hold that extending the
surveillance society and drug snooping to chess with unaccountable
FIDE officials
holding open the doors of toilet stalls and conducting numerous
intrusive tests is both immoral and an invitation to assorted forms of
blackmail. We hold that in this Internet age, inevitable horror
stories about drug testing will spread quickly to USCF members in
spite f attempted news blackouts in Chess Life. We hold that the USCF
will suffer the loss of several thousand financially beloved "regular"
members once the bad news
circulates sufficiently. We hold that there is no benefit from drug
testing posited by even the most enthusiastic pro-surveillance chess
politician that will justify the
entirely predictable consequences of player disaffection and of FIDE
abuses. We hold that if drug snooping triumphs, then one day a
grandmaster will win the U.S.
Championship over the board and have his title revoked and be banned
for years from international play because he took some home cold
remedy.

Screw Reason

Millions of games have been played in tens of thousands of tournaments
"From California to the New York Island, from the Redwood Forests to
the Gulf Stream waters." Yes, yes, there have been millions of games,
and there has not been a single complaint (not even a bogus complaint)
that someone won or drew a game because drugs were ingested.
Reasonable men will conclude there is no problem.

Reasonable men will argue that catastrophes occur when solutions for
nonexistent problems are forced upon unwilling players and USCF
customers. Reasonable men will conclude that human and financial
resources should not be lavished upon FIDE’s
unaccountable Medical Commission—an international bureaucracy that
exists to create a problem rather than to waste time on a nonexistent
problem. Reasonable men of prudent disposition will suspect that the
not-so-hidden FIDE agenda is to funnel political and financial perks
to appointees and officials of national federations so as to further
corrupt the decision-making processes of these federations and to
exert greater control over players and tournament organizers.
Reasonable men will conclude that a vague promise of Olympic
recognition is being used as a lever to open the doors or our toilet
stalls and the skin of our veins to a permanent FIDE medical
bureaucracy. Finally, reasonable men will conclude that FIDE poses a
mortal
threat to USCF business interests.

THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans




Offramp wrote:
On 9 Oct, 18:53, ChessFire wrote:
Golf, rugby make Olympic roster for 2016, 2020
Posted Oct 09, 2009 9:10 AM
By MATTIAS KAREN
(AP)

COPENHAGEN -All those beautiful beaches and Tiger Woods, too!

After more than a century on the sidelines, golf will return to the
Olympics at the Summer Games in Rio de Janeiro. Rugby, last played in
1924, is coming back as well.

Both were reinstated for the 2016 and 2020 games after a vote Friday
by the International Olympic Committee.

Each sport received majority support in separate votes after leading
athletes and officials from both camps gave presentations, including a
taped video message from Woods and other top pros. Woods has indicated
he would play in the Olympics if golf were accepted for 2016.

"There are millions of young golfers worldwide who would be proud to
represent their country," Woods said from the Presidents Cup in San
Francisco. "It would be an honor for anyone who plays this game to
become an Olympian."

Golf was approved 63-27 with two abstentions. Rugby was voted in 81-8
with one abstention.

Golf will stage a 72-hole stroke-play tournament for men and women,
with 60 players in each field. Rugby will organize a four-day seven-a-
side tournament — instead of the more traditional 15-a-side game — for
12 men's and women's teams. Golf will stage a 72-hole stroke-play
tournament for men and women, with 60 players in each field.


I have never liked the idea of having the FIDÉ chess olympics at the
Olympic Movement's olympics. There are a helluva lotta people going to
a standard FIDÉ chess olympics.... 150 men teams with 4 people and 100
women teams with 3 each, plus reserves and various coaches. You need a
big room as well. If the organizing city had to foot the cost of all
of that - with the prospect of next to zero spectator attendance -
well - I'm not going to finish this sentence, because I can't.

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On Oct 10, 12:53*pm, " wrote:

THE CASE AGAINST DRUG-TESTING IN U.S. CHESS
by Larry Parr and GM Larry Evans

"FIDE has made its decision, and players who do not accept
drug testing will not be able to play chess. At the moment,
I would have to freely admit there are drugs which
theoretically COULD affect cognitive performance, but we
have NO real scientific proof that anything can positively
affect cognitive performance and consequently, chess."

—Dr. Stephen Press, vice-chairman of the FIDE
Medical Commission

[...] There is only a claim that IF there might
someday be a drug that affects cognition, then
there could possibly be a drug problem in chess.


What the sportsmen have to go through to stay
in their profession is humiliating not only to them
but also to everybody who values personal freedom --
the tiring inconvenience and horrible invasions of
privacy to which athletes in several sports are
subjected is downright depressing.

Let me state that the issue should never be
the performance enhancement but only the
health hazard. If there were drugs which enhance
performance without harm to your health then by
all means we should all take them at our discretion.
Scientists should and perhaps are working on
obtaining harmless performance enhancing drugs.
Furthermore, in a relative, conditional sense,
there must be such drugs, and some of them are
known and widely accepted.

The main point of drug tests is the imposition
of their-bureaucrats will on athletes & public.
This is to the bureaucrats a wonderful method of
gaining more power, more money (at the expense
of the sports), more parasite types of positions.
They keep building building their bureaucratic,
stifling, chocking empire.

And the way to deal with them is not to improve
the so called system but to ignore them and to
do your thing without them. Let them starve.

Regards,

Wlod
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On Oct 10, 3:53*pm, " wrote:
THE CASE AGAINST DRUG-TESTING IN U.S. CHESS
by Larry Parr and GM Larry Evans

"FIDE has made its decision, and players who do not accept drug
testing will not be able to play chess. At the moment, I would have to
freely admit there are
drugs which theoretically COULD affect cognitive performance, but we
have NO real scientific proof that anything can positively affect
cognitive performance and
consequently, chess." —Dr. Stephen Press, vice-chairman of the FIDE
Medical Commission

Let’s get one thing straight right off the bat, shall we?

There is no demonstrable drug problem in chess. There is not even a
claimed drug problem in chess. There is not even, as we shall see, a
claim that there could be
a drug problem in chess. There is only a claim that IF there might
someday be a drug that affects cognition, then there could possibly be
a drug problem in chess.

We have a "could" conditioned on an "if." Wow!

The decision about whether to support or to oppose drug testing is not
a question to be resolved by specialists exchanging discrete bits of
arcane knowledge. The question is how USCF interests are served by
accepting and promoting drug testing in tournaments in the vain hope
that chess may someday become not only an Olympic event but that
Olympic status will result in tangible gains for the royal game.

We believe that USCF interests are best served in making policy based
on reason, and on respect for personal privacy and on a shrewd
understanding of its business interests given the passionate and
widespread opposition to drug testing among American players at all
levels.

We hold that creating bureaucracies to solve nonexistent problems is
an affront to reason and an open door for predictable problems that
will bedevil the USCF. We hold that violations of privacy by third
rate, arrogant chess politicians will end in lawsuits and outrages
that will drive Americans away from chess. We hold that extending the
surveillance society and drug snooping to chess with unaccountable
FIDE officials
holding open the doors of toilet stalls and conducting numerous
intrusive tests is both immoral and an invitation to assorted forms of
blackmail. We hold that in this Internet age, inevitable horror
stories about drug testing will spread quickly to USCF members in
spite f attempted news blackouts in Chess Life. We hold that the USCF
will suffer the loss of several thousand financially beloved "regular"
members once the bad news
circulates sufficiently. We hold that there is no benefit from drug
testing posited by even the most enthusiastic pro-surveillance chess
politician that will justify the
entirely predictable consequences of player disaffection and of FIDE
abuses. We hold that if drug snooping triumphs, then one day a
grandmaster will win the U.S.
Championship over the board and have his title revoked and be banned
for years from *international play because he took some home cold
remedy.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Screw Reason

Millions of games have been played in tens of thousands of tournaments
"From California to the New York Island, from the Redwood Forests to
the Gulf Stream waters." Yes, yes, there have been millions of games,
and there has not been a single complaint (not even a bogus complaint)
that someone won or drew a game because drugs were ingested.
Reasonable men will conclude there is no problem.

Reasonable men will argue that catastrophes occur when solutions for
nonexistent problems are forced upon unwilling players and USCF
customers. Reasonable men will conclude that human and financial
resources should not be lavished upon FIDE’s
unaccountable Medical Commission—an international bureaucracy that
exists to create a problem rather than to waste time on a nonexistent
problem. Reasonable men of prudent disposition will suspect that the
not-so-hidden FIDE agenda is to funnel political and financial perks
to appointees and officials of national federations so as to further
corrupt the decision-making processes of these federations and to
exert greater control over players and tournament organizers.
Reasonable men will conclude that a vague promise of Olympic
recognition is being used as a lever to open the doors or our toilet
stalls and the skin of our veins to a permanent FIDE medical
bureaucracy. Finally, reasonable men will conclude that FIDE poses a
mortal
threat to USCF business interests.

THIS CRAZY WORLD OF CHESS by GM Larry Evans



Offramp wrote:
On 9 Oct, 18:53, ChessFire wrote:
Golf, rugby make Olympic roster for 2016, 2020
Posted Oct 09, 2009 9:10 AM
By MATTIAS KAREN
(AP)


COPENHAGEN -All those beautiful beaches and Tiger Woods, too!


After more than a century on the sidelines, golf will return to the
Olympics at the Summer Games in Rio de Janeiro. Rugby, last played in
1924, is coming back as well.


Both were reinstated for the 2016 and 2020 games after a vote Friday
by the International Olympic Committee.


Each sport received majority support in separate votes after leading
athletes and officials from both camps gave presentations, including a
taped video message from Woods and other top pros. Woods has indicated
he would play in the Olympics if golf were accepted for 2016.


"There are millions of young golfers worldwide who would be proud to
represent their country," Woods said from the Presidents Cup in San
Francisco. "It would be an honor for anyone who plays this game to
become an Olympian."


Golf was approved 63-27 with two abstentions. Rugby was voted in 81-8
with one abstention.


Golf will stage a 72-hole stroke-play tournament for men and women,
with 60 players in each field. Rugby will organize a four-day seven-a-
side tournament — instead of the more traditional 15-a-side game — for
12 men's and women's teams. Golf will stage a 72-hole stroke-play
tournament for men and women, with 60 players in each field.


I have never liked the idea of having the FIDÉ chess olympics at the
Olympic Movement's olympics. There are a helluva lotta people going to
a standard FIDÉ chess olympics.... 150 men teams with 4 people and 100
women teams with 3 each, plus reserves and various coaches. You need a
big room as well. If the organizing city had to foot the cost of all
of that - with the prospect of next to zero spectator attendance -
well - I'm not going to finish this sentence, because I can't.


Sometimes posts go unregarded - but sometimes they say all that is
necessary, so the lack of response is merely agreement with sentiments
well said.

Phil Inned
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On Oct 10, 7:08*pm, ChessFraude wrote:


Sometimes posts go unregarded - but sometimes they say all that is
necessary, so the lack of response is merely agreement with
sentiments
well said. --Phil Inned

NS?


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ChessFire wrote:

On Oct 10, 3:53 pm, " wrote:
THE CASE AGAINST DRUG-TESTING IN U.S. CHESS
by Larry Parr and GM Larry Evans

..
Sometimes posts go unregarded


Yeah, because in this instance it's as boring as bat-****...

The only thing worthy of comment is "Finally, reasonable men will
conclude that FIDE poses a mortal threat to USCF business interests."
which is laughable...

Also, I don't mind taking a drug-test as long as it's a pretty nurse who
'guides' me into the test/tube (I don't want no drooling fags or queers
touching my manhood) ...

m.

Pfft !


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None wrote:
..
NS?


Moron ...
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