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For Immediate Release

Monday, March 29, 2010

New York Libertarians Call for State to Nullify New Federal Health
Care Law

Albany, NY --- Supporters of free markets and choice in medical care
across New York and the nation strongly seek to reverse any
implementation of the health care reform bill, also called "Obamacare"
just signed by the President this week. Among the common objections to
the top-down, Washington-mandated control of health insurance and
health care, is it denies choice to those not desiring to participate
in the national system, and so is an infringement on the free
association liberty rights of Americans.

Many Libertarians specifically urge New York State to join Virginia,
Idaho, and Utah in passing and signing a "Health Care Freedom Act"
into law, that would effectively nullify the national scheme. Such a
law requires the state "to opt out of federal reform when the state
determines that opting out is in the best interest of the citizens of
the state." The number of states working on bills to block
implementation of the healthcare law has now reached 38, and many of
them have also initiated lawsuits to fight the new and
unconstitutional tax fines to be issued against persons opting not to
buy health insurance.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, conducted on
the first two nights after the president signed the bill, shows that
"55% favor repealing the legislation. Forty-two percent (42%) oppose
repeal. Those figures include 46% who Strongly Favor repeal and 35%
who Strongly Oppose it. In terms of Election 2010, 52% say they'd vote
for a candidate who favors repeal over one who does not."

As National Libertarian Party Chairman William Redpath commented last
week, "We oppose this horrible federal government expansion into
health care, just as we have consistently opposed all the increased
government intrusion into health care proposed by Republicans and
Democrats over the years. For example, we vocally opposed the huge
Medicare expansion pushed through Congress by Republicans in 2003."

Other free market solutions exist that would do a much better job at
reducing medical costs. Dr. Stephen Finger, a Brooklyn ear, nose and
throat specialist who also ran for Congress in 2006, suggests a
moderate but constitutional approach to re-introducing liberty to
health care. "I propose that we make the District of Columbia into a
health insurance free trade zone, supervised by the Department of
Health and Human Services."

Finger's plan would allow any insurance company operating within the
District to offer for sale any type of health insurance offering any
benefits, subject only to it demonstrating sufficient reserves to pay
claims, and clearly spelling out restrictions in the policy. He says
"not only will this make insurance more affordable, it will also serve
as a non-compulsory 'laboratory' for any insurance company with a good
idea about how to offer a better product at a more affordable price."

John Clifton, LPNY Political Director and one of its prospective
candidate for US Senate this year, urges a more comprehensive menu of
tactics to repeal Obamacare, on both the personal and political
levels. "Just say no to this whole thing. Don't buy insurance. Don't
go to a doctor who accepts insurance. Don't pay the fines. Fight the
law on all fronts---support all state lawsuits and nullification
efforts."

"Support private suits brought by individuals, or class action suits
by employers. Support amendment efforts to reverse the bill. Oppose
court nominations if the nominated judge views the healthcare law as
constitutional. Vote out or recall politicians who voted for the law.
Vote ONLY for state legislators who will fight the law on the state
level. Vote OUT Obama, and bring back liberty to New York and
America."

The Libertarian Party stands for free markets and civil liberties. The
Libertarian Party of New York will hold its annual convention at the
Hilton Garden Inn in Albany, New York on April 24. LPNY may be
contacted at (518) 595-4282.
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Same ol' same ol'. First of all unless the numbers have been recently
updated -- and they might have, I don't know -- the last numbers I saw
were 55% SUPPORTED the new law, 40% OPPOSED the new law, and 5% were
UNDECIDED. O.K. that aside, here is the weakness to your following
argument:

"Supporters of free markets and choice in medical care
across New York and the nation strongly seek to reverse any
implementation of the health care reform bill, also called "Obamacare"
just signed by the President this week. Among the common objections to
the top-down, Washington-mandated control of health insurance and
health care, is it denies choice to those not desiring to participate
in the national system, and so is an infringement on the free
association liberty rights of Americans."


To put into simple terms that anyone with two brain cells can
understand, that argument is called the STATUS QUO. Our current
health care system is broken: Most people can't afford insurance,
people with pre-existing conditions can be denied insurance, insurance
companies can cap what they will pay out, and for more and more people
the EMERGENCY ROOM becomes the source of Health Care which the State
ends up picking up the tab for. The United States is the ONLY
developed industrialized nation that does not provide for Universal
Health Care. Maybe we would have a healthier nation if we had
universal health care and stressed wellness health care so the
Emergency Room does not become the place of last resort for all health
care for those who can't afford to buy insurance and treatment
outcomes are more expensive and more complicated. Free markets are not
FREE -- the current system is based upon the insurance companies
Bottom Line and stock prices, it is rift with greed and corruption, it
benefits the few at the expense of the many. I can guarantee that
those who are bad mouthing the Current Health Care Bill would sing a
different tune if THEIR Insurance cut them off at the knees.

"Other free market solutions exist that would do a much better job at
reducing medical costs. Dr. Stephen Finger, a Brooklyn ear, nose and
throat specialist who also ran for Congress in 2006, suggests a
moderate but constitutional approach to re-introducing liberty to
health care. "I propose that we make the District of Columbia into a
health insurance free trade zone, supervised by the Department of
Health and Human Services."


" Finger's plan would allow any insurance company operating within the
District to offer for sale any type of health insurance offering any
benefits, subject only to it demonstrating sufficient reserves to pay
claims, and clearly spelling out restrictions in the policy. He says
"not only will this make insurance more affordable, it will also serve
as a non-compulsory 'laboratory' for any insurance company with a good
idea about how to offer a better product at a more affordable price."


Great!! Now we have some moron talking about making Washing D.C. a
"Free Trade Zone" Do we need to flock to D.C. to get care?!? D/C. is
already corrupt now we want to formalize by adding insurance companies
to the lobbyists and other disreputable characters that already
inhabit the underbelly of government. If you think that will "fix the
systems", such a moronic idea will only result in insurance companies
expanding the "restrictions" of what they will not pay for. We don't
need another "laboratory", one only needs to look at the current
status quo in order to com to the conclusion does not work.

I would totally agree with your position IF -- BIG IF -- those who
could not afford insurance or who could not get insurance were TURNED
AWAY FROM THE EMERGENCY ROOM IF THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE PROOF OF
INSURANCE, that in essence is free market economics. "Sorry Charley,
no insurance, no treatment. If YOU can't afford to PAY, then we can't
afford to TREAT you." Of course that would be in violation of the oath
that every doctor takes, called the Hippocratic Oath, that prevents
any doctor from turning away a patient who is in need of their
services. Someone has to pay that bill: either the hospital absorbs
the cost (then closes); the State picks up the tab, and thus has less
money to spend on other tings such as roads, education, fire, police,
etc..; the cost is passed on to those who do carry insurance in the
form of escalating premiums (the status quo); the taxpayer picks up
the tab in the form of new taxes or they can choose NO NEW TAXES and
budget cuts happen; or ultimately the Federal Government picks up the
tab. Some where along the line health care has to be paid for. Given
that insurance companies don't want to pay for it so as to enrich
themselves (first), their cronies (second) and investors (third); and
politicians keep running off at the mouth about "No New Taxes" and the
consequences of such brainless diatribe, then *maybe* the Federal
Government needs to step in and enact legislation that mandates that
access to health care is a basic RIGHT, not a PRIVILEGE, and not a
LUXURY for the privileged few.

"Among the common objections to
the top-down, Washington-mandated control of health insurance and
health care, is it denies choice to those not desiring to participate
in the national system, and so is an infringement on the free
association liberty rights of Americans."


Here is a SOLUTION that all Libertarians can support and is in keeping
with the "Liberty" you speak of: Those who wish to "Opt OUT" of Health
Care, be REQUIRED to carry a SIGNED card that reads, " I have OPTED
OUT of Health Care. It is my WISH NOT TO BE TREATED by any medical
provider under any circumstance even if my life is in Jeopardy". That
way no one is FORCING you to carry insurance, against your specific
wishes. Indeed that would be in the best of Libertarian traditions.
That said MOST people WANT affordable health care that can't be taken
away from them at the whims of an insurance company, whose only
objective is to line their own pockets and and the pockets of their
cronies and investors.

Thank you for such an enlightening bit of tripe. You have at least
narrowed my choice down to who I will NOT be supporting.
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Yeah Sam let's put even more cash in the hands of folks like Frank
Niro. Obviously chess did little for your critical thinking skills.

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