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Old March 24th 04, 01:49 PM
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Anna Hahn is Out !!

It appears that the Anna Hahn controversy has concluded in a
surprising way. In order to play on the US Woman's Olympic Team or in
the US Championship, one must play 21 games within the past year. Anna
Hahn has only played three rated games in the past year.
(Incidentally, she lost all three games.) Also, the final deadline has
passed. Thus, Anna Hahn is not eligible to play.

Now that we have this MSA database I was able to look this up.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12577910

Meanwhile, Susan Polgar and her entire "Dream Team" played in such
events as the "Oklahoma Dream Team Challenge" organized by Frank
Berry. See:
http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain....16810-20058274

The MSA database also shows that two other highly rated women have
played no games at all in the past 12 months. They are Camilla
Baginskaite and Elena Donaldson-Akhmylovskaia. Thus, they are not
eligible for the US Team.

The only player outside of the "Dream Team" who might be eligible is
Anjelina Belakovskaia. After an absence from tournament chess for four
years, she came back this past year and played 13 rated games in the
US. In addition, she played 10 rated games in the Continental Woman's
Championship held in South America. It is a curious fact that the
Continental Woman's Championship was USCF rated. I wonder why.

http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain....05056-12559824

Anyway, with the possible exception of Anjelina Belakovskaia, it
appears that Susan Polgar's "Dream Team" will represent the USA in the
World Chess Olympiad in November in Spain.

Incidentally, Anna Hahn played in a tournament at the Marshall Chess
Club last night. She played only one game, lost and dropped out. I
wonder if anybody asked her about this raging controversy.

Sam Sloan
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Old March 24th 04, 02:03 PM
Jerzy
 
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"Sam Sloan" wrote in message
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Anna Hahn is Out !!

It appears that the Anna Hahn controversy has concluded in a
surprising way. In order to play on the US Woman's Olympic Team or in
the US Championship, one must play 21 games within the past year. Anna
Hahn has only played three rated games in the past year.
(Incidentally, she lost all three games.) Also, the final deadline has
passed. Thus, Anna Hahn is not eligible to play.


OK Sam in national team only the best players should play. Surely Anna is
too weak. Can you explain how the qualification system to the national team
in chess in the USA works ? Are there any clear rules for that nowadays?

Regards,
Jerzy


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Old March 24th 04, 03:59 PM
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Actually, she isn't out. She in fact did get 10 games in. The question is do
they get rated in time before the April supplement is issued.

John Fernandez
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Old March 24th 04, 04:11 PM
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Actually, she isn't out. She in fact did get 10 games in. The question is do
they get rated in time before the April supplement is issued.

John Fernandez


Why?

The regulations say they must be played before the calculations are done and
does not mention they have be rated which seems fair since often the sending in
of games for ratings is out of the control of the player.

Bill Goichberg has stated that Anna has now fullfilled the activity
requirement.

However, lots of discussions going-on and hopefully a happy resolution to
everyone will soon be reached.

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Old March 24th 04, 10:20 PM
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On 24 Mar 2004 16:11:07 GMT, (Chessdon) wrote:

Actually, she isn't out. She in fact did get 10 games in. The question is do
they get rated in time before the April supplement is issued.

John Fernandez


Why?

The regulations say they must be played before the calculations are done and
does not mention they have be rated which seems fair since often the sending in
of games for ratings is out of the control of the player.


I understand your logic, but it is not fair to the other players.
Everybody should have access to the same information. I happen to know
that Anna Hahn played one game last night, but none of her rivals knew
that. Now, you are saying that that one game (which she lost) puts her
on the Olympic team, even though it will probably not be rated until
May.

Bill Goichberg has stated that Anna has now fullfilled the activity
requirement.


How?? The rules say 21 games. The MSA shows that she has only played
three games in the last year. Even in the calculations by John "Smart
for a Fernandez" Fernandez she has only played ten games. I think Bill
needs to read the rules again.

However, lots of discussions going-on and hopefully a happy resolution to
everyone will soon be reached.


Is it really true that she played only one game last night because she
had nine games before that and needed ten games to satisfy the
activity requirement??

Sam Sloan
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Old March 24th 04, 11:00 PM
Chessdon
 
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How?? The rules say 21 games. The MSA shows that she has only played
three games in the last year. Even in the calculations by John "Smart
for a Fernandez" Fernandez she has only played ten games. I think Bill
needs to read the rules again.

However, lots of discussions going-on and hopefully a happy resolution to
everyone will soon be reached.


Is it really true that she played only one game last night because she
had nine games before that and needed ten games to satisfy the
activity requirement??

Sam Sloan


It is ten games, neither side is contesting that.

Go to USChess.orgtournamentsinvitational requirementsactivity and discount
the 40 game requirement which for some time has been eliminated and you will
see it is ten games.


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Old March 24th 04, 11:30 PM
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Here are the rules as revised Aug 2003 and posted at uschess.org.

Bill Goichberg


ACTIVITY

Players must play a minimum number of USCF-rated games (defined as including
games played in the FIDE World Championship cycle, or other recognized world
championship competition). Games played to satisfy the activity requirement
must be played under the rating system used to select players for a particular
event (see above). Thus, games played under the USCF’s Quick Chess rating
system do not count toward the activity requirement. There is no minimum number
of events.

1. Play at least 10 USCF-rated games (including games played in the FIDE World
Championship cycle, or other recognized world championship competition) during
the twelve month period prior to computation of invitational ratings.

2. For the U.S. Championship or FIDE Olympiad, players may satisfy the activity
requirement by their participation in the immediately preceding event.


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Old March 25th 04, 12:32 AM
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On 24 Mar 2004 23:30:39 GMT, (Recmate) wrote:

Here are the rules as revised Aug 2003 and posted at uschess.org.


Please note that the last US Championship was played in January 2003.
So, you are changing the rules after the game was played. Yet, the
pro-Anna Hahn crowd objects to the changes the Executive Board
apparently made in March, 2003.

Bill Goichberg


ACTIVITY

Players must play a minimum number of USCF-rated games (defined as including
games played in the FIDE World Championship cycle, or other recognized world
championship competition). Games played to satisfy the activity requirement
must be played under the rating system used to select players for a particular
event (see above). Thus, games played under the USCF’s Quick Chess rating
system do not count toward the activity requirement. There is no minimum number
of events.

1. Play at least 10 USCF-rated games (including games played in the FIDE World
Championship cycle, or other recognized world championship competition) during
the twelve month period prior to computation of invitational ratings.


Is it correct that you are saying that the one game she played last
night counts because she played it before April Fools Day even though
it will not be rated until May?

2. For the U.S. Championship or FIDE Olympiad, players may satisfy the activity
requirement by their participation in the immediately preceding event.


This one I do not understand. Does it mean that if the World Chess
Olympiad is held in November, she can play in a bunch of tournaments
in October and meet the activity requirement even if she looses all
her games and her rating drops below the level she would need to make
the team?

I suspect that this last change was made to enable Elena
Donaldson-Akhmylovskaia to get into the 2002 US Championship because
she had not played in a tournament in years and then played in a bunch
of tournmaments before the last US Championship to satisfy the
activity requirement.

If these are your interpretations of the rules, I feel that it is
contrary to the intent of the rules. I cannot imagine that whomever
wrote the rules had these ideas in mind when they were written.

It is to be recalled that Akobian qualified to the 2003 US
Championship by winning the 2002 World Open, which was a qualifying
tournament. Then, somebody decided that he had not qualified because
he had not met the activity requirement. Finally, this issue was
resolved when the American Foundation for Chess extended a special
invitation to Akobian and to Laura Ross (who had also been on the
wrong side of a controversial issue) to play in the US Championship.
The outcome was that Akobian almost became US Champion except that he
lost in a favorable position in the last round to Shabalov.

Sam Sloan
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